saying 'I want my two-year-old to go with me,'" Homan said. "That's a parent's decision, it's not a government decision."
The two-year-old is among three children who are American citizens who were deported Friday with their mothers from the U.S. to Honduras, according to court documents reviewed by CBS News. Homan disputed the characterization, saying, "we don't deport U.S. citizens" and added that in these cases, "the mother chose to take the children with her."
"This is parenting 101," Homan said. "You can decide to take that child with you, or you can decide to leave a child here with a relative or another spouse."
A 4 year-old US CITIZEN with cancer has been deported by the Trump administration. kurtster supports the Trump administration. kurtster supports the Trump administration.
Well... since you've known about it so long... I mean, sure... I guess it makes sense we should ignore the rule that's been around 182 years longer than your concerns.
. “All persons born or naturalized in the United States,
and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,
are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
. So you fall back on "Headed to the SCOTUS?" How exactly do you think they are going to read that?
and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, The part that you deliberately did not highlight, is where the rubber meets the road.
While that has been interpreted regarding those here legally seeking citizenship it has not been decided on regarding those here illegally.
In the past I have brought up this issue only to be summarily rejected as it being irrelevant, to be kind describing the reactions.
Here is were the matter was settled for those whose parents were here legally.
The only case to go to court dealt with aliens legally in the country with permission for indefinite residency at the time the child was born. Illegal aliens have not been tried.
the spirit of Amendment XIV, “subject to the jurisdiction of” essentially means “a subject of” - as in, not a citizen of another country and/or legally present in the United States, with a demonstrated intention to permanent residency or naturalization (as explained by the Supreme Court in US v Wong Kim Ark.)
Yes, if you’re here, you’re subject to our laws, our fines, and our penal system. However, that’s not the meaning of “subject to the jurisdiction of” in this context.
Granted, these are opinions but makes clear that this is a not a resolved issue. One of the goals of the Trump agenda is to get this issue decided once and for all. Until now, there has not been a proper case to get it in front of SCOTUS. Trump's executive order on the subject has finally provided for this to happen. It needs to be decided so we can all move forward knowing clearly what the 14th Amendment is about as it applies to those here illegally.
Perhaps since steeler has already put his 2 cents worth in he might wish to comment.
Trumpâs approval ratings on economic issues have dropped notably since early March as the rollout of his tariff plan led to volatility in the stock market and worries about rising prices. On inflation, approval is down 9 points to 35%, and on tariffs themselves, itâs down 4 points to 35%. His marks for handling the economy are down 5 points to a career low of 39%; he hit his previous low once in his first term and again this March). Only about half (52%) express confidence in his ability to deal with the economy, down 13 points compared with a December CNN poll.
Or does the law not apply anymore? - asking for a friend who would love to steal a few things since no one would suspect him, and maybe do a more than that if itâs really OK.
You know, somewhere in my desk I still have my âwhite male privilege get out of jail freeâ card. Are we cool to be doing that sort of all-crimes-all-the-time-if-youâre-white thing?
Because I heard that it was going to the SCOTUS.
Magats only want laws that apply to people who aren't magats. Laws are impingements on their freedumb, dontchaknow?
Or does the law not apply anymore? - asking for a friend who would love to steal a few things since no one would suspect him, and maybe do a more than that if itâs really OK.
You know, somewhere in my desk I still have my âwhite male privilege get out of jail freeâ card. Are we cool to be doing that sort of all-crimes-all-the-time-if-youâre-white thing?
Because I heard that it was going to the SCOTUS.
Due process is the bedrock of our system of justice. It is impossible to understand those who express indifference about it or, worse, essentially minimize its importance.
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Due process is the bedrock of our system of justice. It is impossible to understand those who express indifference about it or, worse, essentially minimize its importance.
You are a reprehensible individual. Donât bitch and cry over people being mean to you here. To get respect you need to earn it. And with your words⦠you certainly havenât earned any respect or goodwill.
Birthright citizenship has been the law of this land for quite some time and it matters not whether you think it is wrong. Trump deporting anyone who is citizen without due process is patently un-Constitutional. Trump isnât giving any of these targeted people time to contact anyone who would be able to legally contest their removal. They are whisked away to a detention center and placed on a plane in 24 to 48 hours so if a court issues a âstayâ⦠it is already too late, that person is no longer in the country anymore.
In what bizarro universe is this OK? These people are just collateral damage to this broken process? What if the authorities mistakenly came for you based on some hearsay of some disgruntled neighbor who concocted some wild story about you and you were deposited in some country without being able to contest it? Are you willing to take one for the team then?
And whatever happened to first focusing on all the illegal immigrant rapists, murderers, criminals and those released from insane asylums? If we are now deporting birthright children I guess there was far less illegal immigrant criminals in this country than Trump led you to believe.
Have a nice day and be careful to duck under doorways lest your pointy hat get creased in the process.
How dare you pick on somebody who lives in a double-wide.
The current conversation centers around US citizens who are toddlers whose parents are illegals. Better to take the children from their parents or keep the family unit together ?
This is a grey area and involves the notion of anchor babies and so called birthright citizenship. Birthright citizenship is headed to the SCOTUS. I have been aware of this anchor baby problem from the 60's having been born and raised in a border state that was subject to this problem since then and before. It was wrong then and is wrong now. That has consistently been my position for over 55 years. Longer than many of you have been alive or at least before you were out of diapers.
You are a reprehensible individual. Donât bitch and cry over people being mean to you here. To get respect you need to earn it. And with your words⦠you certainly havenât earned any respect or goodwill.
Birthright citizenship has been the law of this land for quite some time and it matters not whether you think it is wrong. Trump deporting anyone who is citizen without due process is patently un-Constitutional. Trump isnât giving any of these targeted people time to contact anyone who would be able to legally contest their removal. They are whisked away to a detention center and placed on a plane in 24 to 48 hours so if a court issues a âstayâ⦠it is already too late, that person is no longer in the country anymore.
In what bizarro universe is this OK? These people are just collateral damage to this broken process? What if the authorities mistakenly came for you based on some hearsay of some disgruntled neighbor who concocted some wild story about you and you were deposited in some country without being able to contest it? Are you willing to take one for the team then?
And whatever happened to first focusing on all the illegal immigrant rapists, murderers, criminals and those released from insane asylums? If we are now deporting birthright children I guess there was far less illegal immigrant criminals in this country than Trump led you to believe.
Have a nice day and be careful to duck under doorways lest your pointy hat get creased in the process.
Well... since you've known about it so long... I mean, sure... I guess it makes sense we should ignore the rule that's been around 182 years longer than your concerns.
âAll persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
So you fall back on "Headed to the SCOTUS?" How exactly do you think they are going to read that? Well...since the parents are illegals, the rights of the child granted by the Constitution don't matter? Of course they won't.
So in a trial setting, you know....DUE PROCESS... you get a judge to say "your child has the right to stay, but you can't". Leave the child with an aunt, a cousin, a friend, the state... do whatever you want, but you have 15 days to leave the US...with or without the child. The US doesn't deport citizens...full stop!
Your repeated ignorance of the parts of the Constitution that you don't like is tiring. Do you agree with the whole document or not?
Make a choice, and if you agree with law and order as defined in the document, why will you never call out the current administrations joyful ignorance of those laws?
There is probably a particular something about the Dred Scott decision that he takes joy in.
The current conversation centers around US citizens who are toddlers whose parents are illegals. Better to take the children from their parents or keep the family unit together ?
This is a grey area and involves the notion of anchor babies and so called birthright citizenship. Birthright citizenship is headed to the SCOTUS. I have been aware of this anchor baby problem from the 60's having been born and raised in a border state that was subject to this problem since then and before. It was wrong then and is wrong now. That has consistently been my position for over 55 years. Longer than many of you have been alive or at least before you were out of diapers.
So, to be clear, you don't support the 14th amendment, and you do support the Dred Scott decision? This really isn't surprising.
"The president is not the boss of the American people. He cannot order them to embrace his priorities, nor is he supposed to punish them for disagreement with him. His powers are largely rhetorical, and even the most skilled presidents cannot shape an unwilling public.
What was it Trump said about Kim Jong-un, the North Korean dictator, during his first term in office? âHey, heâs the head of a country. And I mean he is the strong head. Donât let anyone think anything different,â Trump said in 2018. âHe speaks, and his people sit up at attention. I want my people to do the same.â
He wants his people to do the same.
Trump rejects almost all of the Constitution: He rejects the equal status of Congress and the courts. He rejects the authority of the states. He does not see himself as a representative working with others to lead the nation; he sees himself as a boss, whose will ought to be law. And in turn, he sees the American people as employees, each of us obligated to obey his commands. Trump is not interested in governing a republic of equal citizens. To the extent that heâs even dimly aware of the traditions of American democracy, he holds them in contempt. What Trump wants is to lord over a country whose people have no choice but to show fealty and pledge allegiance not to the nation but to him."
excerpt from Trump Doesn't Want To Govern - Jamelle Bouie
The current conversation centers around US citizens who are toddlers whose parents are illegals. Better to take the children from their parents or keep the family unit together ?
This is a grey area and involves the notion of anchor babies and so called birthright citizenship. Birthright citizenship is headed to the SCOTUS. I have been aware of this anchor baby problem from the 60's having been born and raised in a border state that was subject to this problem since then and before. It was wrong then and is wrong now. That has consistently been my position for over 55 years. Longer than many of you have been alive or at least before you were out of diapers.
Well... since you've known about it so long... I mean, sure... I guess it makes sense we should ignore the rule that's been around 182 years longer than your concerns.
âAll persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
So you fall back on "Headed to the SCOTUS?" How exactly do you think they are going to read that? Well...since the parents are illegals, the rights of the child granted by the Constitution don't matter? Of course they won't.
So in a trial setting, you know....DUE PROCESS... you get a judge to say "your child has the right to stay, but you can't". Leave the child with an aunt, a cousin, a friend, the state... do whatever you want, but you have 15 days to leave the US...with or without the child. The US doesn't deport citizens...full stop!
Your repeated ignorance of the parts of the Constitution that you don't like is tiring. Do you agree with the whole document or not?
Make a choice, and if you agree with law and order as defined in the document, why will you never call out the current administrations joyful ignorance of those laws?
Your support of these actions invalidates your right to be treated with respect. You twat.
Instead of just saying "yeah, it's wrong to deport citizens without due process"... blame Biden and deflect. There isn't any engagement from Kurt, just propaganda.
The current conversation centers around US citizens who are toddlers whose parents are illegals. Better to take the children from their parents or keep the family unit together ?
This is a grey area and involves the notion of anchor babies and so called birthright citizenship. Birthright citizenship is headed to the SCOTUS. I have been aware of this anchor baby problem from the 60's having been born and raised in a border state that was subject to this problem since then and before. It was wrong then and is wrong now. That has consistently been my position for over 55 years. Longer than many of you have been alive or at least before you were out of diapers.
Meanwhile there are still several hundred thousand missing children that crossed the border under Biden's tenure.
And so we are supposed to separate mothers from their children now ? I thought that that was a no go established under the first Trump term. Oh, what howling we had.
This whole fuster cluck is the sole responsibility of the democrats with their open border policy the previous 4 years. We had an invasion of at least 12 million illegals. With the deliberate intent of overwhelming the system making removal unworkable due to at the very least, limited resources across the board. Hence Trump's remarks that it would take 200 years to deal with everyone, one at a time. Things are going to go wrong trying to deal with 12 million new invaders not to mention the 20 million already here. These are the consequences, the intended consequences, designed to create this humanitarian crises.
So don't bitch at Trump, bitch at the democrats for creating this mess. It has become well established that we did not need new laws to secure the border as so many have claimed. We just needed a new POTUS and the will to get it done.
All of you who supported this invasion have no right to complain about the cleanup. Your support of the invasion invalidates your right to complain now.
At what point does the 2nd amendment and "I was afraid for my life" cross with this policy? I have no doubt that there would be a very large amount of gunfire, and the 'person of interest' would not survive, but a couple of those and we might see an end to the stupid policy.
I've seen some comments about 2A and tyranny aimed at the MAGA faithful.
But they're likely in I-don't-care-I-got-nothing-to-hide mode.
