You just proved my point, that when push comes to shove, you do not make the distinction between legal and illegal. You just give certain illegals a pass based on their circumstances and ignore the law. The law is the law is the law. And the law means nothing to you regarding this.
rgio wrote:
You must be really pissed off at Trump for deciding that farming, hotel, and other industries should, as you say ... just give certain illegals a pass based on their circumstances and ignore the law.
(First 1:12 of this video)
It's hard to believe how little the law means to Trump. Good thing you're going to hold him accountable....I mean... the law is the law is the law.
My brother being one of them, I have tried to understand how he got there. Quite simply, it is the news he watches, Fox, OAN, Newsmaxx, etc. I've implored him to at least try some other news. I feel like reality is slowly seeping in, but I don't know. I'll see him 4th of July week, so will see.
I think it's an issue of imprinting, like baby ducks latching on to the first thing that walks in front of them.
There is no doubt that the US is great because of its constitution. But the right-wing media has successfully transferred the defining characteristic of the United States to shift it away from the actual constitution, as a living document, to other symbols of American prowess to the point that they have fully subverted the power of constitution and replaced it with a 2-dimensional mock-up of the American dream, complete with comb-over, trophy wife, golden sneakers and and a gallery full of failed cosmetic surgery.
Look at how MAGA scream that any failure to display allegiance to Trump or MAGA is a "UnAmerican" or even "traitorous". And they believe it.
Baby ducks. The lot of them. Chasing an illusion of the very thing that nurtured them and completely oblivious to the difference.
btw, whatever happened to AugieK when you need him?
You just proved my point, that when push comes to shove, you do not make the distinction between legal and illegal. You just give certain illegals a pass based on their circumstances and ignore the law. The law is the law is the law. And the law means nothing to you regarding this.
rgio wrote:
You must be really pissed off at Trump for deciding that farming, hotel, and other industries should, as you say ... just give certain illegals a pass based on their circumstances and ignore the law.
(First 1:12 of this video)
It's hard to believe how little the law means to Trump. Good thing you're going to hold him accountable....I mean... the law is the law is the law.
Hey Kurt...I guess you missed this.
It's your big issue! All illegals are equal, but some are more equal than others?
Itâs mind blowing how a third of the country seems to support a man who - unquestionably - does not respect the USA Constitution. For them to think he belongs in a seat of power, especially when none of that power is helping them (itâs been three months - NO ONE but the Dark State Swamp Elites are any better off) just shows you how easily led and unAmerican those people are.
Itâs tempting to want to listen to their opinion on things, but repeatedly and illogically they espouse ideas that are traitorous.
My brother being one of them, I have tried to understand how he got there. Quite simply, it is the news he watches, Fox, OAN, Newsmaxx, etc. I've implored him to at least try some other news. I feel like reality is slowly seeping in, but I don't know. I'll see him 4th of July week, so will see.
If Trump were smart, given the support that the MAGA faithful have in him, he would create a one time pathway to anyone here right now...saying....
1) I closed the border...and it will stay closed for now
2) everyone here right now has 2 choices....
- Register within the next 3 months for permanent asylum. Everyone who registers can stay in the country until we process their case, protected under the laws and Constitution of the US.
- Anyone who doesn't register and is located, arrested for a speeding ticket, or is looks at anyone funny after the 3 months... immediate and permanent deportation.
3) Close all legal migration to everyone not escaping war or persecution....which will be adjudicated quickly, and you will be admitted or not.
4) Reform immigration in Congress.
5) Take all of the resources that are focused on deportation, and spend the money on judges, case workers, and employees to process everyone who comes forward in #2.
Trumps a grifting a-hole, but if he could pull this off... he would create a legacy as POTUS that would make it difficult to keep him among the worst Presidents of all time... which is why i doubt he'll do it.
NEVAH gonna happen. Trump and the Republicans love an open border because it gives them red meat to throw to the masses and an issue to run on every election. Democrats run and hide when they hear the word Immigration so they don't get tied to said open border. Round and round we go, when the ride stops nobody knows. I'm tired of it personally. Get in a room and figure something out. If not shut the F up or go home.
Of course he tries to rationalize it by saying if existing, long-term, undocumented migrant workers are removed, then they'll be replaced by the "murderers from prisons and everything else" - his fall-back excuse.
If Trump were smart, given the support that the MAGA faithful have in him, he would create a one time pathway to anyone here right now...saying....
1) I closed the border...and it will stay closed for now
2) everyone here right now has 2 choices....
- Register within the next 3 months for permanent asylum. Everyone who registers can stay in the country until we process their case, protected under the laws and Constitution of the US.
- Anyone who doesn't register and is located, arrested for a speeding ticket, or is looks at anyone funny after the 3 months... immediate and permanent deportation.
3) Close all legal migration to everyone not escaping war or persecution....which will be adjudicated quickly, and you will be admitted or not.
4) Reform immigration in Congress.
5) Take all of the resources that are focused on deportation, and spend the money on judges, case workers, and employees to process everyone who comes forward in #2.
Trumps a grifting a-hole, but if he could pull this off... he would create a legacy as POTUS that would make it difficult to keep him among the worst Presidents of all time... which is why i doubt he'll do it.
Of course he tries to rationalize it by saying if existing, long-term, undocumented migrant workers are removed, then they'll be replaced by the "murderers from prisons and everything else" - his fall-back excuse.
To be fair, thatâs what happened when I left my job.
You must be really pissed off at Trump for deciding that farming, hotel, and other industries should, as you say ... just give certain illegals a pass based on their circumstances and ignore the law.
Of course he tries to rationalize it by saying if existing, long-term, undocumented migrant workers are removed, then they'll be replaced by the "murderers from prisons and everything else" - his fall-back excuse.
It's hard to believe how little the law means to Trump. Good thing you're going to hold him accountable....I mean... the law is the law is the law.
Itâs mind blowing how a third of the country seems to support a man who - unquestionably - does not respect the USA Constitution. For them to think he belongs in a seat of power, especially when none of that power is helping them (itâs been three months - NO ONE but the Dark State Swamp Elites are any better off) just shows you how easily led and unAmerican those people are.
Itâs tempting to want to listen to their opinion on things, but repeatedly and illogically they espouse ideas that are traitorous.
You just proved my point, that when push comes to shove, you do not make the distinction between legal and illegal. You just give certain illegals a pass based on their circumstances and ignore the law. The law is the law is the law. And the law means nothing to you regarding this.
So maybe you're not a racist. You're just a racist light, depending on the circumstances which would make you at the very least a bigot because you discriminate against certain, but not all illegals.
You have no point.
Youâre a man desperate in search of a clue. You wanna find someone else to drag down to your level and join your racist immigrant haters club? Look elsewhere. I donât know where your life went off the rails to have zero empathy and concern for other human beings.
Oh⦠and in case you havenât noticed⦠laws in general mean nothing to TACO Trump so that argument falls a little flat.
Youâre a real nowhere man.
Sitting in your nowhere land.
Making all your nowhere plans.
For nobody.
You just proved my point, that when push comes to shove, you do not make the distinction between legal and illegal. You just give certain illegals a pass based on their circumstances and ignore the law. The law is the law is the law. And the law means nothing to you regarding this.
You must be really pissed off at Trump for deciding that farming, hotel, and other industries should, as you say ... just give certain illegals a pass based on their circumstances and ignore the law.
(First 1:12 of this video)
It's hard to believe how little the law means to Trump. Good thing you're going to hold him accountable....I mean... the law is the law is the law.
I've been saying this here for nearly 20 years now and suddenly you want to know what exactly I mean ? FY.
This is the position I have held since the 60's growing up in California living 70 miles north of the border and has not changed one iota. I have also been against the Anchor Baby thing since then as well. And I have so stated here as well.
This is the position that got me first called a racist here back when Obama was in office. Then supporting the Wall was racist because the Wall was racist.
So now you are a racist, too, if you agree with my definition according to the usual suspects here. Hey veev, you're a racist. Get used to it now that you have admitted it. .
I have no idea where you are coming from but clearly you are deranged and off your meds. I asked for clarification of a statement you made and then made the point that this current administration could give a rat’s ass as to the distinction between illegal immigrants and legal immigrants. Seems to have hit a nerve with you. What you don’t understand is that while I can make the same distinction between illegal and legal immigrants as you… that doesn’t (to me) mean that illegal immigrants trying to sneak in aren’t any less deserving of a chance. Depends upon their particular circumstance. Desperate people can and will do desperate things.
Don’t project your racism on me bud. You got some real demons to fight. Good luck with that.
You just proved my point, that when push comes to shove, you do not make the distinction between legal and illegal. You just give certain illegals a pass based on their circumstances and ignore the law. The law is the law is the law. And the law means nothing to you regarding this.
So maybe you're not a racist. You're just a racist light, depending on the circumstances which would make you at the very least a bigot because you discriminate against certain, but not all illegals.
I've been saying this here for nearly 20 years now and suddenly you want to know what exactly I mean ? FY.
This is the position I have held since the 60's growing up in California living 70 miles north of the border and has not changed one iota. I have also been against the Anchor Baby thing since then as well. And I have so stated here as well.
This is the position that got me first called a racist here back when Obama was in office. Then supporting the Wall was racist because the Wall was racist. So now you are a racist, too, if you agree with my definition according to the usual suspects here.
Hey veev, you're a racist. Get used to it now that you have admitted it.
I have no idea where you are coming from but clearly you are deranged and off your meds. I asked for clarification of a statement you made and then made the point that this current administration could give a ratâs ass as to the distinction between illegal immigrants and legal immigrants. Seems to have hit a nerve with you. What you donât understand is that while I can make the same distinction between illegal and legal immigrants as you⦠that doesnât (to me) mean that illegal immigrants trying to sneak in arenât any less deserving of a chance. Depends upon their particular circumstance. Desperate people can and will do desperate things.
Donât project your racism on me bud. You got some real demons to fight. Good luck with that.
Please. Quit being coy. It is so unbecoming. You make me state the obvious, at least to me. Legal immigration is when the immigrant makes arrangements with the Department of State to enter the US prior to their arrival. Legal entrance into the US is conducted at a Port of Entry, with passport and visa (when required) already in hand. Any other method of entry is illegal. And those who arrive illegally are subject to removal. Did you think that it could be something else ?
Who is being coy? All I asked was what your definition was. I can’t read your thoughts so I really didn’t know how you defined it. Was that really so hard to do? I happen to agree with that.
But you are aware that this administration doesn’t make that distinction? Any brown-skinned immigrant who hasn’t yet officially become a citizen is fair game to be disappeared to whatever country the plane they put them on is flying to. There are plenty of examples of people who followed the rules and believed they were on a path to citizenship only to have the rug pulled out from under them. So your distinction matters not at the end of the day.
I was actually wondering if you would articulate a position that is at odds with current reality.
I've been saying this here for nearly 20 years now and suddenly you want to know what exactly I mean ? FY.
This is the position I have held since the 60's growing up in California living 70 miles north of the border and has not changed one iota. I have also been against the Anchor Baby thing since then as well. And I have so stated here as well.
This is the position that got me first called a racist here back when Obama was in office. Then supporting the Wall was racist because the Wall was racist. So now you are a racist, too, if you agree with my definition according to the usual suspects here.
Hey veev, you're a racist. Get used to it now that you have admitted it.
Legal immigration is when the immigrant makes arrangements with the Department of State to enter the US prior to their arrival. Legal entrance into the US is conducted at a Port of Entry, with passport and visa (when required) already in hand.
Any other method of entry is illegal. And those who arrive illegally are subject to removal.
Did you think that it could be something else ?
Who is being coy? All I asked was what your definition was. I canât read your thoughts so I really didnât know how you defined it. Was that really so hard to do? I happen to agree with that.
But you are aware that this administration doesnât make that distinction? Any brown-skinned immigrant who hasnât yet officially become a citizen is fair game to be disappeared to whatever country the plane they put them on is flying to. There are plenty of examples of people who followed the rules and believed they were on a path to citizenship only to have the rug pulled out from under them. So your distinction matters not at the end of the day.
I was actually wondering if you would articulate a position that is at odds with current reality.
So I didn't respond to you in the time frame you required and I get this ? You say that there is no difference between legal and illegal immigration. How can I explain something to you that you believe is impossible to exist or define ?
Talk about twisting things... how in the world are you making inferences into something I didn't say? I never said there was no difference... please note where I did. But again, I'm not the one puffing my chest out and making proclamations.
I simply asked about your stance since you made a pretty big point to say you have a clear delineation between illegal and legal immigrants and that others did not. Plain and simple... what is it? If you are going to step up on a soapbox to make this declaration, how can you be afraid to elaborate when asked about it? Isn't that a natural question that someone might have?
Please. Quit being coy. It is so unbecoming.
You make me state the obvious, at least to me.
Legal immigration is when the immigrant makes arrangements with the Department of State to enter the US prior to their arrival. Legal entrance into the US is conducted at a Port of Entry, with passport and visa (when required) already in hand.
Any other method of entry is illegal. And those who arrive illegally are subject to removal.
So I didn't respond to you in the time frame you required and I get this ?
You say that there is no difference between legal and illegal immigration.
How can I explain something to you that you believe is impossible to exist or define ?
Talk about twisting things... how in the world are you making inferences into something I didn't say? I never said there was no difference... please note where I did. But again, I'm not the one puffing my chest out and making proclamations.
I simply asked about your stance since you made a pretty big point to say you have a clear delineation between illegal and legal immigrants and that others did not. Plain and simple... what is it? If you are going to step up on a soapbox to make this declaration, how can you be afraid to elaborate when asked about it? Isn't that a natural question that someone might have?
You have a positive vision about America, a notion as to how things should work and what government should (and shouldn't) do. Why not share them and see if we can start a constructive exchange of ideas. We're not always going to agree with each other but at least we'll have a better idea about where the other person is coming from. At the very least, it'd be nice to stop exchanging insults.
Whaddya say?
Do you expect me to share anything meaningful such as what you ask when all that I am going to get from you is Ronald's and Great Pumpkins in return. How stupid do you think I am. And then everyone else will jump in and twist everything I might say 8 ways to next Sunday. There can be no meaningful conversations here because you all only allow one POV to be presented, yours. Everything I might post is either illegitimate or delusional by default before it is even posted.
Tell you what. I'm going to channel Judge Dredd to take on your Judge Roy Bean.
kurtster, a line from your post below: You could not be more wrong. I insist on making the distinction between legal and illegal immigration. No one else here does and refuse to this very day to make that distinction. You have made this point before.
OK, I'll bite. What is your distinction between legal & illegal immigrants? I don't believe I have ever heard you articulate it. If you insist that you hold a clear distinction, please clarify what that is or stop holding this up as a valid talking point. Even a link to a previous post where this was clarified would work. Otherwise, you would fall into the other bucket of the "others" who refuse to make that distinction.
Don't worry kurt.
I wasn't expecting a response. To step up to back up your own statement is clearly a bridge too far.
Go look under the couch for your 'nads in case they rolled under there. Hurry though before the dog sniffs 'em out.
So I didn't respond to you in the time frame you required and I get this ?
You say that there is no difference between legal and illegal immigration.
How can I explain something to you that you believe is impossible to exist or define ?
kurtster, a line from your post below: You could not be more wrong. I insist on making the distinction between legal and illegal immigration. No one else here does and refuse to this very day to make that distinction.
You have made this point before.
OK, I'll bite. What is your distinction between legal & illegal immigrants? I don't believe I have ever heard you articulate it. If you insist that you hold a clear distinction, please clarify what that is or stop holding this up as a valid talking point. Even a link to a previous post where this was clarified would work. Otherwise, you would fall into the other bucket of the "others" who refuse to make that distinction.
Don't worry kurt.
I wasn't expecting a response. To step up to back up your own statement is clearly a bridge too far.
Go look under the couch for your 'nads in case they rolled under there. Hurry though before the dog sniffs 'em out.
