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Posted: May 13, 2024 - 9:23am


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Posted: May 12, 2024 - 9:08pm

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Because they have blown the shit out of everywhere else.

Doesn't mean they left or couldn't get back.  Whack-a-mole (in Gaza city the other day). The north. 



It isn't just Hamas' Al Qassam Brigades. There are several resistance groups working in unity.
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Posted: May 12, 2024 - 8:31pm

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How do you know they have Hamas cornered?

Biden isn't saying don't destroy Hamas... he, and the rest of the world mostly... are saying that you don't need to kill tens of thousands of people in the process.  Take some time.  Be strategic.  The Israeli problem is that Benji doesn't have time.  He's working for his own preservation... something you support at home and abroad.

For clarity's sake...

Do you support a 2 state solution? 

If so, who should control Gaza after the fighting?



Because they have blown the shit out of everywhere else.

But I'm pretty much in agreement with everything else you said

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Posted: May 12, 2024 - 8:10pm

B&W thinking. "If we were white..."

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Posted: May 12, 2024 - 9:37am

Frustrated by Gaza Coverage, Student Protesters Turn to Al Jazeera
Students active in campus protests value Al Jazeera’s on-the-ground coverage and its perspective on the Israel-Hamas war. They draw distinctions between it and major American outlets.
Many student protesters said in recent interviews that they were seeking on-the-ground coverage of the war in Gaza, and often, a staunchly pro-Palestinian perspective — and they are turning to alternative media for it. There’s a range of options: Jewish Currents, The Intercept, Mondoweiss and even independent Palestinian journalists on social media, as they seek information about what is happening in Gaza.

Their preferences embody a broader shift for members of Generation Z, who are increasingly seeking out news from a wider array of sources and questioning legacy outlets in a fragmented media ecosystem.
I'd add Electronic Intifada.


War On Terror junkie projecting 
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Posted: May 12, 2024 - 9:37am

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What they want is liberty, not death. You'd think any American would get that. No justice (liberty), no peace.
 
You're kidding, right ? 

What they want is the elimination of Israel from the face of the earth and the extermination of all Jews, and nothing less.

And 72 virgins is icing on the cake ...
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Posted: May 12, 2024 - 12:43am

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(...) And there are some that seek suicide or death by cop by shooting at them hoping that the cop shoots back.

I think that what is going on in Gaza is the latter.

What they want is liberty, not death. You'd think any American would get that.

No justice (liberty), no peace.

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Posted: May 12, 2024 - 12:09am

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So sorry to disappoint you.  That is all you'll get from me.  Deal with it.

The deal is mostly yours. Your forever war. Your tax money. Your complicity. Your history.
 
For every action, there is a reaction.  Those that initiate an action do not always get the reaction intended.

In other words, it is usually a good idea to leave a sleeping dog alone. or don't poke the bear.

Those that may wake up a sleeping dog or poke the bear may not live to tell about it.  That is the risk you take.

And there are some that seek suicide or death by cop by shooting at them hoping that the cop shoots back.

I think that what is going on in Gaza is the latter.

That is about as nuanced as you're going get out of me.
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Posted: May 11, 2024 - 10:09pm

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So sorry to disappoint you.  That is all you'll get from me.  Deal with it.

The deal is mostly yours. Your forever war. Your tax money. Your complicity. Your history.

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Posted: May 11, 2024 - 8:34pm

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  B&W. No nuance.
 
So sorry to disappoint you.  That is all you'll get from me.  Deal with it.
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Posted: May 11, 2024 - 3:55pm

Khamas...

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Posted: May 11, 2024 - 3:04pm

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You can trust Hamas to tell the truth all you like.  They must be telling the truth because they are the good guys and real freedom fighters, right ?

Simplistic Manichaean paranoia. B&W. No nuance.

Here you go, Joe...
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Posted: May 11, 2024 - 2:23pm

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 rgio wrote:
How do you know they have Hamas cornered?

That's what the Israelis tell him (via Fox). Bogus. We can watch Hamas' (and others like PFLP) action videos daily (though not on Fox).
 
You can trust Hamas to tell the truth all you like.  They must be telling the truth because they are the good guys and real freedom fighters, right ?
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Posted: May 11, 2024 - 10:54am

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Posted: May 11, 2024 - 10:46am


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Posted: May 11, 2024 - 9:56am

 rgio wrote:
How do you know they have Hamas cornered?

That's what the Israelis tell him (via Fox). Bogus.

We can watch Hamas' (and others like PFLP) action videos daily (though not on Fox).

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Posted: May 11, 2024 - 9:04am

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How do you know they have Hamas cornered?
 
I've been paying attention to the reporting.  The reporting I've been listening to has been correct so far, so I trust it.
 

For clarity's sake...

Do you support a 2 state solution? 

If so, who should control Gaza after the fighting?
 

Yes, always have.  And have also been against the 'settlements" in the West Bank.

Let the U N do it.

Maybe the U N should even move their headquarters there.  That would solve all kinds of problems.
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Posted: May 11, 2024 - 8:48am

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First, I said, IMO.

Israel is at the end: their goal.  The have Hamas cornered in Raffa. 

And Biden is telling them "Don't"  Same as he told Iran and some of the other players.

"Don't" isn't working.


Destroying Hamas is the only way to separate the two.  

Do you have another way ?  If so what is it ?




How do you know they have Hamas cornered?

Biden isn't saying don't destroy Hamas... he, and the rest of the world mostly... are saying that you don't need to kill tens of thousands of people in the process.  Take some time.  Be strategic.  The Israeli problem is that Benji doesn't have time.  He's working for his own preservation... something you support at home and abroad.

For clarity's sake...

Do you support a 2 state solution? 

If so, who should control Gaza after the fighting?


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Posted: May 11, 2024 - 8:27am

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 kurtster wrote:

IMO, there are only two sides to this.  You either support Israel or you support Hamas.


There are 3 sides.   It's irresponsible and pointless to have a conversation that ignores the realities of 5 million Palestinians.  You can argue they "voted" for this, but that's weak and ignorant. Israel needs to explain their end game
 
First, I said, IMO.

Israel is at the end: their goal.  The have Hamas cornered in Raffa. 

And Biden is telling them "Don't"  Same as he told Iran and some of the other players.

"Don't" isn't working.


If you aren't willing to separate Palestinians and Hamas in the discussion, then you aren't serious about finding a rational, humane solution.


Destroying Hamas is the only way to separate the two.  

Do you have another way ?  If so what is it ?


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Posted: May 11, 2024 - 6:30am

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IMO, there are only two sides to this.  You either support Israel or you support Hamas.


There are 3 sides.  

It's irresponsible and pointless to have a conversation that ignores the realities of 5 million Palestinians.  You can argue they "voted" for this, but that's weak and ignorant.

Israel needs to explain their end game, and that is going to require a 2 state solution.  Without it, the rest of the regional players who want to support the US/Israel against Iran are going to have to remain silent.

Hamas needs to be destroyed, but indiscriminately killing tens of thousands of civilians in the process without an understanding of how it ends and what happens after that isn't acceptable.  If Israel wants the support of an ally, they have to detail their plans to that ally if they expect support in killing civilians.  

If you aren't willing to separate Palestinians and Hamas in the discussion, then you aren't serious about finding a rational, humane solution.

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