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Oct 25, 2026 - 4:39pm
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A friend said he managed to speak to Cockburn, and told him that the Circles in the Stream album meant so much to him (amen).
Bruce's reply: "Yeah, I'm not that guy any more."
I really liked him in his early days. Didnât realize heâs 81 now.
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Oct 25, 2026 - 1:36pm
Welly wrote:
I got tickets to see Bruce Cockburn in a small theatre next spring. Then I listened to his newest album. It's all covers and his voice is not good, sadly.
Thinking I might sell those tickets.
A friend said he managed to speak to Cockburn, and told him that the Circles in the Stream album meant so much to him (amen).
Bruce's reply: "Yeah, I'm not that guy any more."
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Oct 25, 2026 - 1:18pm
I got tickets to see Bruce Cockburn in a small theatre next spring. Then I listened to his newest album. It's all covers and his voice is not good, sadly.
Thinking I might sell those tickets.
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Oct 23, 2026 - 4:24pm
The resurrection of joxmox by any other name as he pops up disguised with another name. Itâs easy to find out if that true.
Edit: For a supposed AI agent of evil, he really is Stew Ped.
I can tell because I scrapped his site and barnacles and examined it under the microscope of truth.
What ever happened to the five-fold, daily crosswords contest of this forum that used to be oh so sacred daily communication among friends on a discussion forum like (eeek) this?
Evolution. One's perspective decides whether its good or bad.
Judgement after a long absence is to be expected; if not wholly welcomed.
What ever happened to the five-fold, daily crosswords contest of this forum that used to be oh so sacred daily communication among friends on a discussion forum like (eeek) this?
The spread of hatred seems a daily need for many here. Even without the least bit of their own honesty. (Not referring to any of the previous posts in this particular thread.)
Here's a side thought that I don't think you'll agree with, but hope you will ponder -Part of protesting is wanting to be heard. If 'the establishment' wants non-violent protests, they should listen and maybe provide a channel for airing grievances before it gets to the protest stage. Government has a responsibility to it's citizens. If it possesses the authority of the sovereign, then it gets the responsibility too. If schools in France had basic functioning resources, we probably wouldn't be here.
Like I said before, I have no idea of the actual school conditions in france, so wont comment.
Both sides have an obligation to the social contract - sometimes gov ignores the problems of the people, and sometimes the people go to far.
Protests are meant to be disruptive - in terms of marching down a main street - to get the attention of the public.
Apparently in France, many of these protests are organized by unions. I think private unions are great way for labor to organize and counter the influence of corporations/owners.
Public unions can be effective, but often over extend their influence to the detriment of society. Not saying thats the case in france, but there ample examples here in the US.
·As y'all know, I'm in Paris, and I've seen these protests, in some form or another, since their inception with students outisde of the city protesting for better educational conditions and against the cost of everyday living expenses. This protest has become larger, with numerous groups protesting the economic conditions in France and globally right now. With that in mind, I am extremely frustrated, but not surprised, at the narratives I am seeing about everything happening here in France. Specifically, I find the Islamophobic rhetoric and the anti-immigration rhetoric deplorable. Just today I saw a news article, from a far-right site, with the headline "NFL sticks with plans for Paris game amid Muslim riots." What the media you are consuming is not showing you are the peaceful protests and the joy, the people dancing, singing, and orchestras around places like the Place de Bastille. They're not showing you protestors opening barricades for fire fighters or helping elderly people. They're not showing you protestors distributing food to unhoused people. All they're showing is the violence and looting of, for the most part as I have seen, high-end luxury stores, including attempts to get into Galeries Lafayette. I am not saying that the violence is good, I am just saying that people are not getting the full story and then mouthing off in comments sections about things they don't anything about. Even being here, I don't know everything. All I know is I never felt fear or afraid. We've had students, for close to a month, across the street from us barricading and protesting almost every day, with no incident. However, they are more affluent students, so that says a lot. Along with all of this, the date of the protests, October 17, should not be lost on anyone. It's 65 years since the Paris Massacre where Maurice Papon and the police attacked a peaceful protest of Algerians who were arguing for their independence and against a curfew that the government set in place for Algerians. On that night, the police arrested hundreds or thousands and killed between 200-300 people, binding them, while still alive, and throwing them into the Seine. The youngest, Fatima Bedar (15), was killed and her body was found, along with fifteen others, on October 31 caught in a lock on Canal Saint Denis. The police got her father, who could not read French, to sign a document saying she committed suicide. That is part of the story here, and the fact that these protests, which are not just students at this point because many people in various walks of life are experiencing the same economic issues as the students, took place on the 65th anniversary of the Paris Massacre should not be lost on anyone. So many more people have pointed out the realities on the ground, and I would suggest you go and see them, including Misan Harriman on IG.
First, we need to make a clear distinction between legitimate protests, which sometimes might get messy/unorganized, and the element that often takes over/advantage -as in this case - as the protests start to wind down.
we saw the same thing here in the US a few years back - peaceful protests ending in violence as those not participating in the protest took over and pushed things towards chaos.
as noted in miami's video, the French protests were taken over by two groups, who likely could care less about the education issues: the radical left wing anarchist-type groups and young criminals. Of that last group, the former apparently represented a segment/portion of multi-generational immigrants who are living in the French equivalent of US project communities. I can only speculate that they are spiteful the country their ancestors escaped to have not fully embraced them for a variety of reasons, from racial to economic. This was not just a little destruction, spray painting slogans on the side of buildings, but an attempt to destroy the existing culture - see the burning of the historic Limoges city hall building.
So i dont see this from a position of privilege and excuse this type of action as a little frustration boiling over.
As if economic class has anything to do with right and wrong...it's wrong and should be condemned at every level.
Further, politically this puts the extreme right in France at an advantage.
a) I'm not in any way excusing it. More generally saying I'm not really surprised by it.
I don't really have an answer either. Are you going to crack down and say no protests? Are you going to put out an 'allowable kinds of protest' guidebook? Do you think those would be effective?
Here's a side thought that I don't think you'll agree with, but hope you will ponder -Part of protesting is wanting to be heard. If 'the establishment' wants non-violent protests, they should listen and maybe provide a channel for airing grievances before it gets to the protest stage. Government has a responsibility to it's citizens. If it possesses the authority of the sovereign, then it gets the responsibility too. If schools in France had basic functioning resources, we probably wouldn't be here.
I'm a business owner and have been a manager for a long time. A principle I've always followed with much success is that the responsibility lies with the power and resource.
I don't disagree, but this is also an opinion from a position of privilege. We both have a lot to lose, so property crime looks worse to us. Also, from a simple messaging standpoint, wouldn't you expect those in power to support quiet/peaceful/non-violent protest over the opposition? Something, something, squeaky wheel, and I see how things gin up. And agitators and opportunist exist. I would expect the political opposition (especially the current super sensitive crop) to find problems with most any protest.
First, we need to make a clear distinction between legitimate protests, which sometimes might get messy/unorganized, and the element that often takes over/advantage -as in this case - as the protests start to wind down.
we saw the same thing here in the US a few years back - peaceful protests ending in violence as those not participating in the protest took over and pushed things towards chaos.
as noted in miami's video, the French protests were taken over by two groups, who likely could care less about the education issues: the radical left wing anarchist-type groups and young criminals. Of that last group, the former apparently represented a segment/portion of multi-generational immigrants who are living in the French equivalent of US project communities. I can only speculate that they are spiteful the country their ancestors escaped to have not fully embraced them for a variety of reasons, from racial to economic. This was not just a little destruction, spray painting slogans on the side of buildings, but an attempt to destroy the existing culture - see the burning of the historic Limoges city hall building.
So i dont see this from a position of privilege and excuse this type of action as a little frustration boiling over.
As if economic class has anything to do with right and wrong...it's wrong and should be condemned at every level.
Further, politically this puts the extreme right in France at an advantage.
I've never understood why protesters want to destroy and steal stuff. It would seem that a more positive approach would be preferred and more effective at making a point.
And yeah, there are probably some legit protesters; however, the silly radicals and opportunistic looting and destruction can have the opposite or 'backfire effect.'
I read where non-violent protests are approximately twice as effective. Non-violent gatherings can include a wider range of peaceful people (old, young, a more diverse crowd).
Burning, stealing, and senseless destruction seem like a juvenile tantrum.
This behavior will likely give the political opposition some campaign material/leverage.
I don't disagree, but this is also an opinion from a position of privilege. We both have a lot to lose, so property crime looks worse to us. Also, from a simple messaging standpoint, wouldn't you expect those in power to support quiet/peaceful/non-violent protest over the opposition? Something, something, squeaky wheel, and I see how things gin up. And agitators and opportunist exist. I would expect the political opposition (especially the current super sensitive crop) to find problems with most any protest.
If you haven't already I also recommend The Daily Heretic. Those limeys are good at the podcasting.
I'm sort of familiar. I did put on the Gene Simmons interview in my background and it made me chuckle.
There is so much material out there it is hard to catch it all.
My time is limited, but I would like to think my mind is not.
Got about 10 mins in, will listen to rest later...but this better explains what occurred.
Legit protests started by unions over school conditions, joined by larger groups protesting cost of living (which appear misdirected at French Gov and not the US), and then taken over by these loosely defined, far left anarchist groups (I called antifa) and young punk kids who start the destruction and chaos. The latter group, I think most of us (unfortunately not all) condemn.
Towards the legit protests, the larger question then is to what extent has the social contract between gov and the people/society eroded?
I dont know enough about French politics and/or education systems to comment but would argue both sides can lead to that erosion.
I've never understood why protesters want to destroy and steal stuff. It would seem that a more positive approach would be preferred and more effective at making a point.
And yeah, there are probably some legit protesters; however, the silly radicals and opportunistic looting and destruction can have the opposite or 'backfire effect.'
I read where non-violent protests are approximately twice as effective. Non-violent gatherings can include a wider range of peaceful people (old, young, a more diverse crowd).
Burning, stealing, and senseless destruction seem like a juvenile tantrum.
This behavior will likely give the political opposition some campaign material/leverage.
