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Doves — The Greatest Denier
Album: Kingdom Of Rust
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Released: 2009
Length: 3:54
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The English skyline
Falls down to the future
No one noticed
In this Empire

Cause I'm the greatest denier
And I will cut you if you look

The English bloodline
Clashes in the sun
No one noticed
We are coming down

Well I'm the greatest denier
But I can cut you with a look

Clashes in the sun
Don't speak of it

I'm the greatest denier
I was the greatest denier
And I can cut you with a look

Clashing in the sun
Start a revolution

Couldn't sleep since then
Wake you up when we're done
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 acolt wrote:

This guy sounds like he learned diction from Kermit The Frog.



You what pal..!!
He's a good old Manc Lad.
Posted 1 year ago by GingerandMe    [ Reply ]
 Highlowsel wrote:

 
Not to wax political on this forum but ah contraire....this song has high relevance to discerning Americans.  Our POTUS is our greatest denier.  He lives in a fantasy world where he is the greatest there has ever been.  For all that he is a reflection of us, although I'd like to hope it's a minority view. 

In any case Kings die, and new Kings ascend the throne.  History is replete with examples.  In our case we're handing those new Kings in waiting the opportunity on a golden, T embossed, plate.  The American Empire is being led by fools, and everyone is standing around letting them assassinate our national character with nary so much as a "Halt there!"  If we fall we get what we deserve.

So it goes.  And sorry for the political aside.  Overall a nice tune 

Highlow
American Net'Zen




Sometimes the Kings overestimate their influence. Their heads are trotted around the streets on a pike. 
Posted 2 years ago by itsme_bygolly    [ Reply ]
Doves never did anything wrong. Early stuff was super atmospheric, almost thought provoking. Isn't it crazy how a chord sequence can invoke certain emotions. Never fails to amaze me, the power of music.
Posted 2 years ago by torino390    [ Reply ]
This guy sounds like he learned diction from Kermit The Frog.
Posted 2 years ago by acolt    [ Reply ]
 thelaughingfool wrote:
I thought it was Travis
 
I like Travis but Doves are a mile above.
Posted 3 years ago by nicknt    [ Reply ]
I thought it was Travis
Posted 5 years ago by thelaughingfool    [ Reply ]
 Jelani wrote:
This guys voice always sounds like he's in agony.
Annoying. 
 
you are
Posted 5 years ago by salice    [ Reply ]
If you ever want to ruin a song, read the comments.
Posted 5 years ago by WannabeBanned    [ Reply ]
 Highlowsel wrote:
 
Not to wax political on this forum but ah contraire....this song has high relevance to discerning Americans.  Our POTUS is our greatest denier.  He lives in a fantasy world where he is the greatest there has ever been.  For all that he is a reflection of us, although I'd like to hope it's a minority view. 

In any case Kings die, and new Kings ascend the throne.  History is replete with examples.  In our case we're handing those new Kings in waiting the opportunity on a golden, T embossed, plate.  The American Empire is being led by fools, and everyone is standing around letting them assassinate our national character with nary so much as a "Halt there!"  If we fall we get what we deserve.

So it goes.  And sorry for the political aside.  Overall a nice tune 

Highlow
American Net'Zen

 
This pretty much also describes the previous president.  Fake Roman columns and all.
 
Good song, though.
Posted 6 years ago by jelgator    [ Reply ]
wow, great) 
Posted 7 years ago by Tomhamine    [ Reply ]
 Stephen_Phillips wrote:

Nothing!  He was just being funny and taking the other meaning of the word denier. It could be a filament but in this case it is the other meaning - someone who denies something. The song laments the fall of the British Empire and the fact that our Kingdom is now a pile of rust and we are no longer what we once were. Some British people like to pretend that we are still a force to be reckoned with - the rest of us know the sad truth.  This does not have immediate relevance to those of you who live in the USA - but imagine a future where China and India whose populations total about 2 billion start to become dominant and their global influence starts to relegate the USA to a former superpower. Far fetched - maybe not...

  
Not to wax political on this forum but ah contraire....this song has high relevance to discerning Americans.  Our POTUS is our greatest denier.  He lives in a fantasy world where he is the greatest there has ever been.  For all that he is a reflection of us, although I'd like to hope it's a minority view. 

In any case Kings die, and new Kings ascend the throne.  History is replete with examples.  In our case we're handing those new Kings in waiting the opportunity on a golden, T embossed, plate.  The American Empire is being led by fools, and everyone is standing around letting them assassinate our national character with nary so much as a "Halt there!"  If we fall we get what we deserve.

So it goes.  And sorry for the political aside.  Overall a nice tune 

Highlow
American Net'Zen


Posted 7 years ago by Highlowsel    [ Reply ]
 TerryS wrote:
Linear mass density of fibers has what to do with this?

 
Nothing!  He was just being funny and taking the other meaning of the word denier. It could be a filament but in this case it is the other meaning - someone who denies something. The song laments the fall of the British Empire and the fact that our Kingdom is now a pile of rust and we are no longer what we once were. Some British people like to pretend that we are still a force to be reckoned with - the rest of us know the sad truth.  This does not have immediate relevance to those of you who live in the USA - but imagine a future where China and India whose populations total about 2 billion start to become dominant and their global influence starts to relegate the USA to a former superpower. Far fetched - maybe not...
Posted 8 years ago by Stephen_Phillips    [ Reply ]
Yeah, well, all the talk about what Doves sounds like aside. This particular song REALLY sounds like something from Amplifier {#Cheesygrin}
Posted 9 years ago by reijkman    [ Reply ]
 bam23 wrote:
Mourning doves? That's where the link to the alleged website brought me. Don't get me wrong; I really appreciate the bird species, but the mourning dove is not the same species as the British band, nor is this the only species of dove. 

 
Fixed now. Thanks for pointing that out.
Posted 9 years ago by William    [ Reply ]
Linear mass density of fibers has what to do with this?
Posted 9 years ago by TerryS    [ Reply ]
Mourning doves? That's where the link to the alleged website brought me. Don't get me wrong; I really appreciate the bird species, but the mourning dove is not the same species as the British band, nor is this the only species of dove. 
Posted 10 years ago by bam23    [ Reply ]
 gillespp wrote:
Why didn't I figure out until a couple of months ago that this whole album is REALLY DAMN GOOD?

 
All of their records are. Too bad they've been on hiatus for a while. Great band.
Posted 10 years ago by Darlington    [ Reply ]
 TerryS wrote:
A single strand of silk filament, unwound from a cocoon, is 1 denier. .

 
Lol. Nice. Much like my neighbour's cat, I've had my fill of Doves, but at least I can still enjoy the comments!
Posted 10 years ago by toomanyollys    [ Reply ]
Why didn't I figure out until a couple of months ago that this whole album is REALLY DAMN GOOD?
Posted 10 years ago by gillespp    [ Reply ]
Good basic rock tune, nice hook.
Posted 10 years ago by misterbearbaby    [ Reply ]
i think, there-fore i think
Posted 10 years ago by coolpeople_rule    [ Reply ]
A single strand of silk filament, unwound from a cocoon, is 1 denier. .
Posted 11 years ago by TerryS    [ Reply ]
Great Song!
Posted 11 years ago by EbbeSand    [ Reply ]
 boober wrote:

I bet you are a hoot to party with!

 
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Posted 11 years ago by asilbuch    [ Reply ]
And the tap drips
Drip drip drip...
Posted 11 years ago by justin4kick    [ Reply ]
 idiot_wind wrote:
I guess I don't it. 
All I hear is weak vocals, weak guitar playing, weak drumming, boring lyrics....no hooks...following the same ole "thud and drone" formuia started back in the early 1990s and has led rock music to become way too predictable and "mono-sounding". 

But I guess that's why rap and country music are the two most popular music genres with people under 30 and why the most popualr rock acts are bands with average age of 60.
Rock music RIP!        
 
I bet you are a hoot to party with!
Posted 11 years ago by boober    [ Reply ]
I guess I don't it. 


All I hear is weak vocals, weak guitar playing, weak drumming, boring lyrics....no hooks...following the same ole "thud and drone" formuia started back in the early 1990s and has led rock music to become way too predictable and "mono-sounding". 

But I guess that's why rap and country music are the two most popular music genres with people under 30 and why the most popualr rock acts are bands with average age of 60.


Rock music RIP!        
Posted 11 years ago by idiot_wind    [ Reply ]
Great band!
Posted 11 years ago by Stingray    [ Reply ]
Love this!!!!
Posted 11 years ago by Bridieboo    [ Reply ]
This song seem to get better and better the more I listen....
Posted 11 years ago by millab00    [ Reply ]
 Proclivities wrote:

{#Yes}  "It Takes A Worried Man" to remember that alter-ego of Akron's finest.
 

Worried indeed;Akron's finest are The Black Keys.
Posted 11 years ago by yahig    [ Reply ]
I think St. Peter would have to go down as the greatest denier.
Posted 11 years ago by rdo    [ Reply ]

Video: Doves The Greatest Denier Live Abbey Road 2009


Posted 12 years ago by coding_to_music    [ Reply ]
 Uh-huh.{#Dancingbanana_2}
Posted 12 years ago by rushed    [ Reply ]
 bam23 wrote:
In contrast to many of the commenters here, this band reminds me of no one else. However, never having heard of the band or any of their music except here, I think they have a sound all their own and some really interesting compositions. As has been noted elsewhere in these comments, Doves are a really worthy group that deserves much more exposure than is the case.
 
Very well said. I listened to this album in my car this morning. 
Posted 12 years ago by SquiddlyDiddly    [ Reply ]
My favorite "new" band. Thanks RP. 
Posted 12 years ago by kingart    [ Reply ]
 max_p wrote:
Anyone recall "Dove - The Band of Love"?

It was a Character band of DEVO 
 
{#Yes}  "It Takes A Worried Man" to remember that alter-ego of Akron's finest.
Posted 12 years ago by Proclivities    [ Reply ]
YES!
Posted 12 years ago by Krispian    [ Reply ]
Love it! {#Bananajam}
Posted 12 years ago by rushed    [ Reply ]
 coding_to_music wrote:

Wikipedia sez Hiatus, no breakup...
 
Glad to hear that - I love this band!
 
Posted 12 years ago by Dav3thedog    [ Reply ]
 hippiechick wrote:
Every one of their albums is great. So sorry they broke up.
 
Wikipedia sez Hiatus, no breakup...
Posted 12 years ago by coding_to_music    [ Reply ]
Anyone recall "Dove - The Band of Love"?

It was a Character band of DEVO 
Posted 12 years ago by max_p    [ Reply ]
Every one of their albums is great. So sorry they broke up.
Posted 12 years ago by hippiechick    [ Reply ]
 Krispian wrote:
Solid gold
 
An RP classic! Cool
Posted 12 years ago by peter_james_bond    [ Reply ]
 Byronape wrote:
What is he denying?  
 
Exactly!  Not enough RP in the diet, I bet Laughing
Posted 12 years ago by cohifi    [ Reply ]
What is he denying?  
Posted 12 years ago by Byronape    [ Reply ]
Solid gold
Posted 13 years ago by Krispian    [ Reply ]
HHHmmmmnnn...

I may have to look into this one.
Posted 13 years ago by Deadwing    [ Reply ]
This guys voice always sounds like he's in agony.
Annoying. 
Posted 13 years ago by Jelani    [ Reply ]
Crank it up
Posted 13 years ago by coding_to_music    [ Reply ]
In contrast to many of the commenters here, this band reminds me of no one else. However, never having heard of the band or any of their music except here, I think they have a sound all their own and some really interesting compositions. As has been noted elsewhere in these comments, Doves are a really worthy group that deserves much more exposure than is the case.
Posted 13 years ago by bam23    [ Reply ]
Sounds to me like a more palatable 'Smashing Pumpkins'. Wait...did I just say that? Ahhh....
Posted 13 years ago by ziakut    [ Reply ]
 Sasha2001 wrote:
L-L-L-Love this band!
 
and their DVD is very entertaining (although the cryptic magic decoder ring UI needs help).
Posted 13 years ago by jagdriver    [ Reply ]
One of the greatest things to come out of 2009. I don't really like their previous stuff, but this record is just awesome, entirely, from beginning to end. How come I don't hear it anywhere else? Thanks RP for playing it for me! :)
Posted 13 years ago by rmmartins    [ Reply ]
 grungepuppy wrote:

Yeah, unfortunately I did too. I can't get into either band.

 
dont't give up - keep tryin' to learn how to play!

Posted 13 years ago by k_trout    [ Reply ]
 westslope wrote:

I felt a similarity with Elbow just now.

 


 
Yeah, unfortunately I did too. I can't get into either band.

Posted 13 years ago by grungepuppy    [ Reply ]
L-L-L-Love this band!
Posted 14 years ago by Sasha2001    [ Reply ]
Hello - what do we have here!  Very nice indeed.
Posted 14 years ago by Canlistener    [ Reply ]
Nice!
Posted 14 years ago by helgigermany    [ Reply ]
 BowTieDad wrote:
another great song from a great album!
 
Indeed, it's my favorite release from last year. Not a bad song on it.

Posted 14 years ago by Jamunca    [ Reply ]
Doves - The Greatest Denier
Chicago - I'm A Man
The Be Good Tanyas - The Coo Coo Bird
Phish - Birds of a Feather

{#Hearteyes}
Posted 14 years ago by a_genuine_find    [ Reply ]
worth checking out
Posted 14 years ago by thewiseking    [ Reply ]
We need more of this on RP
Posted 14 years ago by Shesdifferent    [ Reply ]
another great song from a great album!
Posted 14 years ago by BowTieDad    [ Reply ]

I felt a similarity with Elbow just now.

 


Posted 14 years ago by westslope    [ Reply ]
This song is a much better Coldplay song than Coldplay could ever write.
Posted 14 years ago by Krispian    [ Reply ]
gets better with each listen... 8 -> 9
Posted 14 years ago by le_colonel    [ Reply ]
Gets better each time I hear it, 8->9.
Posted 14 years ago by etcarroll    [ Reply ]
"Denier?" Looked like this song was about nylon stockings.
Posted 15 years ago by Pieter    [ Reply ]
Clever band, you can't pigeon hole them, ....journeymen (there you go)
Posted 15 years ago by EssexTex    [ Reply ]
reminds me of Ravel's Bolero
Posted 15 years ago by plaice3    [ Reply ]
 rdo wrote:
This band reminds me a lot of Toto.
 
Reminds me more of Tears for Fears... Especially the voice in this song.

Posted 15 years ago by Mr_O    [ Reply ]
 iscoot4peace wrote:
Yeah...they are small and furry, love Dorothy to pieces, and are scared to death with the idea of flying monkeys! 
 
I am still recovering from the childhood trauma induced by those creepy flying monkeys!  ; )
(btw, Doves = Toto? I'm just not getting that vibe.)

Posted 15 years ago by On_The_Beach    [ Reply ]
 rdo wrote:
This band reminds me a lot of Toto.
 
Yeah...they are small and furry, love Dorothy to pieces, and are scared to death with the idea of flying monkeys! 
Posted 15 years ago by iscoot4peace    [ Reply ]
rdo wrote:
This band reminds me a lot of Toto.

Dorothy's dog?!

Posted 15 years ago by EssexTex    [ Reply ]
Man, this reminds me a ton of Catherine Wheel, which is a good thing.
Posted 15 years ago by Danimal174    [ Reply ]
This band reminds me a lot of Toto.
Posted 15 years ago by rdo    [ Reply ]
 paulpaar wrote:
I'm a writer and educator and libn. No thx.
 
Libyan?

Posted 15 years ago by Rusty420    [ Reply ]

 

Funny, the friend who initially turned me on to the Doves (prior to discovering Radio Paradise if I recall), first turned me onto ColdPlay.  Both sounded good on mist-shrouded early mornings in the Fraser Canyon.

Something about the Doves though.  For some strange reason, they remind me of the Strawbs.


Posted 15 years ago by westslope    [ Reply ]
Coldplay could only dream of ever being this good.
Posted 15 years ago by EssexTex    [ Reply ]
This song is sooooooo good for the ears.....{#Smile}
Posted 15 years ago by Felix_The_Cat    [ Reply ]
{#Mrgreen}
Posted 15 years ago by jagdriver    [ Reply ]
This will be at 10 until I find some reason for it not to be.
Posted 15 years ago by davin    [ Reply ]
It can't be denied that this is a good song!
Posted 15 years ago by peter_james_bond    [ Reply ]
 Jamunca wrote:

Damn, what a nice little playlist going here.

The Pretenders > Creedence > The Cult > Stereophonics > Filter > Interpol > Doves


 
no doubt!!
Sounds like nighttime RP and I dig it

Posted 15 years ago by Wizzuvvoz    [ Reply ]
 paulpaar wrote:
I'm a writer and educator and libn. No thx.
 
libn?
librarian?
libertarian?

good song, good album I think


Posted 15 years ago by Wizzuvvoz    [ Reply ]

Damn, what a nice little playlist going here.

The Pretenders > Creedence > The Cult > Stereophonics > Filter > Interpol > Doves


Posted 15 years ago by Jamunca    [ Reply ]
care for truth?

 paulpaar wrote:
don't get it. Do not care for negativity.
 


Posted 15 years ago by songbirdfemme    [ Reply ]
I'm a writer and educator and libn. No thx.
Posted 15 years ago by paulpaar    [ Reply ]
don't get it. Do not care for negativity.
Posted 15 years ago by paulpaar    [ Reply ]
 derekd wrote:
Damn, this group grows on me every time I hear them.
 
Same..

Posted 15 years ago by davin    [ Reply ]
 derekd wrote:
Damn, this group grows on me every time I hear them.
 
I think there's a cream you can get for that. HA!  The fun never stops at RP. Seriously this is an excellent CD.

Posted 15 years ago by peter_james_bond    [ Reply ]
Damn, this group grows on me every time I hear them.
Posted 15 years ago by derekd    [ Reply ]
Sorry to sound old fashioned, but the production on this album is so fantastic, there is no way a compressed format can give back all the intensity.  A true work of love and one of the recent records that deserve full home system CD listening.  But that's only advice, that you (we) enjoy it is the main thing, right?
 keller1 wrote:
Very occasionally it's worth buying the whole CD.  This is one of those occasions.

Solid from beginning to end.
 


Posted 15 years ago by Dior    [ Reply ]
 KevinM wrote:
I really don't understand this Coldplay comparison. Doves were around before Coldplay so maybe it should be the other way around:

Coldplay are Doves wannabe's
 
i don't know who came first but i'm with you... i don't think they sound alike at all.
Posted 15 years ago by daveesh    [ Reply ]
Funny enough, on this particular song he sounds more like Tears for Fears than Coldplay. Either way, all of the comparisons are exceptional company to be in.
Posted 15 years ago by derekd    [ Reply ]

I understand.  Coldplay has a significantly higher profile, recognition factor.

Never bought a Coldplay CD, but I bought this Doves CD.

 

P.S.  This song keeps getting better after multiple listens.




Posted 15 years ago by westslope    [ Reply ]
I really don't understand this Coldplay comparison. Doves were around before Coldplay so maybe it should be the other way around:

Coldplay are Doves wannabe's
Posted 15 years ago by KevinM    [ Reply ]
 keller1 wrote:
Very occasionally it's worth buying the whole CD.  This is one of those occasions.

Solid from beginning to end.
 

Agreed.

A buddy forwarded me some airmile points he couldn't use now that he is living and working in the Land of the Strong and Free, and I downloaded the entire CD.  Solid.

Perhaps the Dove's most unlike Coldplay effort to date.  And, hey, I like Coldplay.


Posted 15 years ago by westslope    [ Reply ]
wrangler wrote:

coldplay with guitars.

yes please.

Posted 15 years ago by lawman    [ Reply ]
 wrangler wrote:

coldplay with guitars.  no thanks.


 

{#Clap}  I think you hit the nail right on the head.
Posted 15 years ago by rdo    [ Reply ]
Doves fan or not, one excellent effort!
Posted 15 years ago by Jazbo    [ Reply ]

coldplay with guitars.  no thanks.


Posted 15 years ago by wrangler    [ Reply ]
Very occasionally it's worth buying the whole CD.  This is one of those occasions.

Solid from beginning to end.
Posted 15 years ago by keller1    [ Reply ]
...outstanding...
Posted 15 years ago by mandolin    [ Reply ]
 annersjen wrote:
To Doves fans: How's the new album as a whole? What I've heard sounds tantalizing.
 
It's the best of 2009 (so far) and probably their best ever

Posted 15 years ago by KevinM    [ Reply ]
To Doves fans: How's the new album as a whole? What I've heard sounds tantalizing.
Posted 15 years ago by annersjen    [ Reply ]
I am totally digging Doves' catalog...thank you RP {#Clap}
Posted 15 years ago by Tim_in_N_FL    [ Reply ]
Love the music, not so keen on the vocals however.

Still - 7 -.
Posted 15 years ago by etcarroll    [ Reply ]
 sutcliff wrote:
This a very good album.
 

Everything I've heard off of it on RP has been fantastic.
Posted 15 years ago by Darlington    [ Reply ]
I first heard kingdom of rust and loved it now this.  Could be that this is an album i need.
Posted 15 years ago by Sloggydog    [ Reply ]
This a very good album.
Posted 15 years ago by sutcliff    [ Reply ]
New Doves!
Posted 15 years ago by jagdriver    [ Reply ]