FYT - We have two captured parties that maintain a duopoly for appearance and control. They both serve the same set of constituents, and you and I are not in that set. Until control is wrested from these people, nothing will change. I don't know how it can be done without significant harm to many vulnerable people. The question really is how much harm are the vulnerable suffering now and at what point is the alternative better. I think we are close to an answer.
Not sure i follow, but the vulnerable in this situation (healthcare) are the insurers and PBMs, and their stockholders.
It's high time for some major changes in how we govern/operate. Healthcare, Education should be stripped down to the studs and completely reworked. The tax system requires similar treatment. Presently if feels as if the government exists to serve those who have the means to pay for influence and the majority of Americans are left to fight it out on social media. Current Democratic leadership is incapable of moving us out of this desert.
This is what most other modern countries have done to some level.
It's high time for some major changes in how we govern/operate. Healthcare, Education should be stripped down to the studs and completely reworked. The tax system requires similar treatment. Presently if feels as if the government exists to serve those who have the means to pay for influence and the majority of Americans are left to fight it out on social media. Current Democratic leadership is incapable of moving us out of this desert.
FYT - We have two captured parties that maintain a duopoly for appearance and control. They both serve the same set of constituents, and you and I are not in that set. Until control is wrested from these people, nothing will change. I don't know how it can be done without significant harm to many vulnerable people. The question really is how much harm are the vulnerable suffering now and at what point is the alternative better. I think we are close to an answer.
what is it about their proposed solutions that we should entertain again? just curious...
edit: early in life i had similar thoughts
so what changed for me?
i'm literally surrounded by thousands and thousands of people from all over the globe that have been in these types of situations
same proposals/verbiage/political sermons and ended up with very bad results
usually when asked, they think we are bonkers for going down that road...
I dont like to get behind labels, but...
I am for universal healthcare, tuition free education, worker and environmental protections, and higher taxes on the wealthy (defined as making over ~$1M a year, or assets over $100M).
It's high time for some major changes in how we govern/operate. Healthcare, Education should be stripped down to the studs and completely reworked. The tax system requires similar treatment. Presently if feels as if the government exists to serve those who have the means to pay for influence and the majority of Americans are left to fight it out on social media. Current Democratic leadership is incapable of moving us out of this desert.
what is it about their proposed solutions that we should entertain again? just curious...
edit: early in life i had similar thoughts
so what changed for me?
i'm literally surrounded by thousands and thousands of people from all over the globe that have been in these types of situations
same proposals/verbiage/political sermons and ended up with very bad results
usually when asked, they think we are bonkers for going down that road...
I dont like to get behind labels, but...
I am for universal healthcare, tuition free education, worker and environmental protections, and higher taxes on the wealthy (defined as making over ~$1M a year, or assets over $100M).
what is it about their proposed solutions that we should entertain again? just curious...
edit: early in life i had similar thoughts
so what changed for me?
i'm literally surrounded by thousands and thousands of people from all over the globe that have been in these types of situations
same proposals/verbiage/political sermons and ended up with very bad results
usually when asked, they think we are bonkers for going down that road...
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Posted:
Nov 12, 2025 - 1:16pm
kurtster wrote:
Re : The Shutdown
I've been struggling to make sense of the shutdown. I just saw Kudlow (who many here used to have a high regard until he joined Trump) opine.
The shutdown was never about healthcare, it was always about opposing Trump and nothing else, regardless of the pain this power play inflicted on those who could least afford it. That is all the democrats have to offer, opposing Trump and they do not care who they hurt in the process. In this continuing effort to destroy all things repub and Trump, the dems are actually destroying themselves.
I believe that the post richard made below illustrates this same point as well.
I feel better having put this into a meaningful perspective and can now move onto other things.
Except I never read Richardâs posts. He just jockeys to have every RAFT entry with his name on them, so itâs obvious thereâs not much discernment there..
I've been struggling to make sense of the shutdown. I just saw Kudlow (who many here used to have a high regard until he joined Trump) opine.
The shutdown was never about healthcare, it was always about opposing Trump and nothing else, regardless of the pain this power play inflicted on those who could least afford it. That is all the democrats have to offer, opposing Trump and they do not care who they hurt in the process. In this continuing effort to destroy all things repub and Trump, the dems are actually destroying themselves.
I believe that the post richard made below illustrates this same point as well.
I feel better having put this into a meaningful perspective and can now move onto other things.
It was about ACA subsidies and blocking the republicans, just as it was about blocking ACA and the democrats for the republicans.
(there is so much lack of understanding of what ACA was and has subsequently become, as a result of bad actions by both parties...which given the lack of transparency within our healthcare system, isnt such a surprise).
But you are partly right, it wasn't about providing affordable healthcare options - from either party - but about continuing to pay insurance companies for premiums that continue to spiral out of control. Then again, the current compromise is only a stopgap measure for the next three months. Perhaps the democrats can get their act together by then and stop arguing to continue to pay insurance companies more $.
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Posted:
Nov 12, 2025 - 11:17am
kurtster wrote:
Re : The Shutdown
I've been struggling to make sense of the shutdown. I just saw Kudlow (who many here used to have a high regard until he joined Trump) opine.
The shutdown was never about healthcare, it was always about opposing Trump and nothing else, regardless of the pain this power play inflicted on those who could least afford it. That is all the democrats have to offer, opposing Trump and they do not care who they hurt in the process. In this continuing effort to destroy all things repub and Trump, the dems are actually destroying themselves.
I believe that the post richard made below illustrates this same point as well.
I feel better having put this into a meaningful perspective and can now move onto other things.
Except I never read Richardâs posts. He just jockeys to have every RAFT entry with his name on them, so itâs obvious thereâs not much discernment there..
And of course it was about the ACÃ, the dreaded horrible attempt at providing healthcare to the nation, that was so mind-blowingly terrible (who would give their citizens healthcare!?!?! Except the entire rest of the developed world). Trying to gaslight us doesnât work at all, really.
Trump and the jellyfish GOP were just trying to ruin something associated with a successful President, just like heâs ruining so many other things out of spite.
