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Posted: Feb 21, 2018 - 6:37pm

 kurtster wrote: 
Respect for a man who had core beliefs and stuck to them, but he wasn't my pastor and I'm an American.
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Posted: Feb 21, 2018 - 5:35pm


Billy Graham, America's pastor, has died
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Posted: Feb 11, 2018 - 7:49am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

I have some reading ahead of me.

 
an alternative to violence and war?

that's crazy talk

rip gene 
edit:

watch this and be impressed...


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Posted: Feb 9, 2018 - 7:29pm

 Lazy8 wrote:

Gene Sharp, RIP: The Man Who Tried to Take the Violence Out of War

He was one of the world's greatest theorists of nonviolent revolution. But don't call him a pacifist.

The first interview I did with Gene Sharp was for a foreign-policy roundtableback in 2003. He wrote afterward to say he mostly liked the piece but I should please not call him a pacifist again.

This took me by surprise. Sharp, who died last week at age 90, had been a draft resister during the Korean War and an editor of Peace News. He had studied Gandhi's life and work for strategic insights, and he had dedicated his career to showing how dictatorships could be overthrown and invaders repelled nonviolently. That all sounded pretty pacifist to me. What I didn't appreciate was how much Sharp associated the term pacifism with a purely ethical position, and how frustrated he had gotten with so many of the people who embraced the p-word. "I don't condemn people who believe in nonviolence as a way of life," he told me in one of our later interviews, this one conducted as the Arab Spring was surging. "For them, that may be the best they can do. And there are other people who have been witnessing and protesting and being true to their beliefs, who want to know how they can do this most effectively. But they don't always grasp the importance of doing more than that. Not just to witness against the wickedness of the world, but how to change the world."

Meanwhile, most of the people he was learning from weren't pacifists at all. He had searched the historical record for empirical examples of civic resistance, ranging from "rude gestures" to nonviolent strikes and mutinies, even the creation of parallel grassroots systems of governance. He discovered countless case studies all over the globe. The vast majority of people conducting these protests and revolts, he noted, were not ideological pacifists; they were figuring out tactics and strategies on the fly. Sharp, in turn, focused more on how they were fighting than what they were fighting for. In the battle over Jim Crow, his sympathies were with the civil rights movement—he had taken part in a sit-in himself—but when the segregationists used a nonviolent tactic, he made sure to examine that too. After all, someone else might find it useful.

Sharp compiled a long list of those methods, and he developed a theory of power to explain why they worked (and why they sometimes didn't). It's a remarkable body of writing: Sharp is, I think, one of the most essential and underappreciated political thinkers of the late 20th and early 21st centuries. No mere armchair theorist, he then set about sharing his findings with dissidents everywhere from Burma to the West Bank. When the next generation of nonviolent rebels came along, they were deeply in his debt. (After the Baltic states gained their independence, one Lithuanian defense minister said of Sharp's Civilian-Based Defense, "I would rather have this book than the nuclear bomb.")



 
I have some reading ahead of me.
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Posted: Feb 9, 2018 - 3:16pm

Gene Sharp, RIP: The Man Who Tried to Take the Violence Out of War

He was one of the world's greatest theorists of nonviolent revolution. But don't call him a pacifist.

The first interview I did with Gene Sharp was for a foreign-policy roundtableback in 2003. He wrote afterward to say he mostly liked the piece but I should please not call him a pacifist again.

This took me by surprise. Sharp, who died last week at age 90, had been a draft resister during the Korean War and an editor of Peace News. He had studied Gandhi's life and work for strategic insights, and he had dedicated his career to showing how dictatorships could be overthrown and invaders repelled nonviolently. That all sounded pretty pacifist to me. What I didn't appreciate was how much Sharp associated the term pacifism with a purely ethical position, and how frustrated he had gotten with so many of the people who embraced the p-word. "I don't condemn people who believe in nonviolence as a way of life," he told me in one of our later interviews, this one conducted as the Arab Spring was surging. "For them, that may be the best they can do. And there are other people who have been witnessing and protesting and being true to their beliefs, who want to know how they can do this most effectively. But they don't always grasp the importance of doing more than that. Not just to witness against the wickedness of the world, but how to change the world."

Meanwhile, most of the people he was learning from weren't pacifists at all. He had searched the historical record for empirical examples of civic resistance, ranging from "rude gestures" to nonviolent strikes and mutinies, even the creation of parallel grassroots systems of governance. He discovered countless case studies all over the globe. The vast majority of people conducting these protests and revolts, he noted, were not ideological pacifists; they were figuring out tactics and strategies on the fly. Sharp, in turn, focused more on how they were fighting than what they were fighting for. In the battle over Jim Crow, his sympathies were with the civil rights movement—he had taken part in a sit-in himself—but when the segregationists used a nonviolent tactic, he made sure to examine that too. After all, someone else might find it useful.

Sharp compiled a long list of those methods, and he developed a theory of power to explain why they worked (and why they sometimes didn't). It's a remarkable body of writing: Sharp is, I think, one of the most essential and underappreciated political thinkers of the late 20th and early 21st centuries. No mere armchair theorist, he then set about sharing his findings with dissidents everywhere from Burma to the West Bank. When the next generation of nonviolent rebels came along, they were deeply in his debt. (After the Baltic states gained their independence, one Lithuanian defense minister said of Sharp's Civilian-Based Defense, "I would rather have this book than the nuclear bomb.")




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Posted: Feb 8, 2018 - 7:49am

 ptooey wrote:
Mickey Jones

Now, I'd always enjoyed him as an actor, but I had no idea about the drumming. Amazing -



 
Cool!
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Posted: Feb 8, 2018 - 6:56am

Mickey Jones

Now, I'd always enjoyed him as an actor, but I had no idea about the drumming. Amazing -


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Posted: Feb 8, 2018 - 4:05am

 triskele wrote: 
{#Hug}
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Posted: Feb 7, 2018 - 4:40pm

My heart hurts.  Fare thee well, now, brother.
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Posted: Jan 28, 2018 - 8:08am

 miamizsun wrote:
can't recall anything by him off the top of my head

may he rest in peace

and  {#Wave}
 

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Posted: Jan 24, 2018 - 1:53pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

*sigh*

Lots of better stuff to represent the Fall but man I used to blast this.



 
A surprisingly faithful (and good!) cover.
 
Always liked this -


 
and of course,


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Posted: Jan 24, 2018 - 1:42pm

 ptooey wrote:
Mark E. Smith

 
Drat.  Not too much of a surprise, I guess, but still...I went through a huge The Fall obsession my senior year of high school.
 
*sigh*

Lots of better stuff to represent the Fall but man I used to blast this.


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Posted: Jan 24, 2018 - 12:25pm

Mark E. Smith

 
Drat.  Not too much of a surprise, I guess, but still...I went through a huge The Fall obsession my senior year of high school.


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Posted: Jan 23, 2018 - 7:22pm

Ursula K. Le Guin, Whose Novels Plucked Truth From High Fantasy, Dies At 88


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Posted: Jan 23, 2018 - 9:19am

 kurtster wrote:

I can dig it !

 


 
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Posted: Jan 23, 2018 - 9:04am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

Sure you can!
 




 
I can dig it !
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Posted: Jan 23, 2018 - 7:49am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

Sure you can!
 


 

you're absolutely correct sir

i have heard that

many times

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Posted: Jan 23, 2018 - 7:37am

 miamizsun wrote:

can't recall anything by him off the top of my head
 
Sure you can!
 





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Posted: Jan 23, 2018 - 7:34am

 Beaker wrote:

:(  Damn.

 
can't recall anything by him off the top of my head

may he rest in peace

and  {#Wave}
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Posted: Jan 23, 2018 - 6:09am

Hugh Masekela


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