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R_P

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Posted: Mar 24, 2017 - 12:54pm

Plausible indeed. But as far as fake news goes there's not much of an impact there (aside from some erosion of credibility).

It's far more troublesome when as a result of fake news millions of people get to die...
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Posted: Mar 24, 2017 - 11:26am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
Such a weird story. Who's Chicken Little in this scenario? Trump lies often. Sometimes he has information that we don't () and tweets that out. It's unsubstantiated, so we think it's another lie. Until the information makes it to the surface and we go, "oh." Sometimes he just makes a wild ass guess, or says something in case it happens to play out. Sometimes I think there's a double-agent Israeli Jew tipping over headstones but he's on the payroll of the anti-semites...

So a reporter jumps in the middle of this and says, "um, I think that one was a lie? Not really sure, but probably?" 
 
It's not just a simple case of poor reporting. It's military-grade PR chaff thrown out to the press. 

The press' behavior predates the Trump presidency. This isn't about Trump lying; the press has (on average) done a much better job fact checking stories they don't like (anythng Trump or his administration says, for instance). it's about the press failing to fact check stories critical of Trump. They want to believe it so it must be true!

This is basic journalism: check the story. The Hollywood Reporter (not exactly Fleet Street) broke the story but a number of allegedly reputable outlets repeated it. To their credit (sort of) the Hollywood Reporter also lead with a retraction when the story proved false, but a better outcome would have been to check the story before publishing.

I haven't checked all the places this story wound up to see if they all retracted their own stories, but I'm less concerned about this becoming part of Trump's folklore than I am about the erosion of credibility of the fourth estate. As Trump scandals go this one is pretty tame so it didn't wind up on a 24 hour CNN scroll, but I bet the story of the story will be headline news on Breitbart.
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Posted: Mar 24, 2017 - 10:53am

 Lazy8 wrote:
Yeah, you fell for it. Again.

And every time the press falls for this it burns up more credibility. First rule of getting people to believe you: don't lie to them.

 
Such a weird story. Who's Chicken Little in this scenario? Trump lies often. Sometimes he has information that we don't () and tweets that out. It's unsubstantiated, so we think it's another lie. Until the information makes it to the surface and we go, "oh." Sometimes he just makes a wild ass guess, or says something in case it happens to play out. Sometimes I think there's a double-agent Israeli Jew tipping over headstones but he's on the payroll of the anti-semites...

So a reporter jumps in the middle of this and says, "um, I think that one was a lie? Not really sure, but probably?" 
 
It's not just a simple case of poor reporting. It's military-grade PR chaff thrown out to the press. 
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Posted: Mar 24, 2017 - 10:26am

Yeah, you fell for it. Again.

And every time the press falls for this it burns up more credibility. First rule of getting people to believe you: don't lie to them.

R_P wrote:

KittenFeed Hoax Shows the Perils of Expecting Trump to Act Like Trump

A story about a teenager who was bullied by the president for creating a website that mocked him was not true, but it was sadly plausible.

Yesterday I decided not to write a post about a San Francisco teenager who supposedly received cease-and-desist letters from the Trump Organization in response to her website mocking the president. Although the widely repeated story was sadly plausible in light of Donald Trump's legendary touchiness and litigiousness, the teenager, identified only as "Lucy," was interviewed by just two outlets, neither of which posted copies of the letters, which the Trump Organization unequivocally denied sending. I contacted the reporters who had communicated with Lucy to see whether and how they had verified the existence of the letters but did not hear back from them. For a good reason, it turns out: The story was a hoax, and the reasons so many writers fell for it are instructive.

<...>

None of this is meant to excuse the reporters and editors who thought this story was too good to check. To the contrary, the episode provides a much-needed lesson in how easily journalists can be led astray by their preconceptions, even when those preconceptions are well-grounded in fact.

When Trump suggested that bomb threats against Jewish institutions, which had been cited as evidence that his election had fostered a rise in anti-Semitism, might not be what they seemed, he was widely mocked, because we have come to assume the president is making shit up, especially when his ego is at stake. But yesterday the Israeli police announced that they had arrested the person they believe was behind the vast majority of those threats, and it turned out he was an Israeli Jew. Trump has discredited himself to the point that his statements are automatically dismissed even when he happens to be right. That is a problem for him, but it is also a problem for us.


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Posted: Mar 24, 2017 - 8:37am

It's beginning to smell a lot like treason.

It's beginning to smell a lot like treason
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Posted: Mar 24, 2017 - 7:36am

The Golden Shower Ratio

                                       The Golden Shower Ratio
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Posted: Mar 24, 2017 - 7:05am


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Posted: Mar 23, 2017 - 12:13pm

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Does Spicer read his briefings before he gets to the podium?  His robotic delivery and rote reading of the sheet in front if him is strange.  

 
Right?  Most of this administration seems to have the same policy in progress of facts on the fly.  Trump makes predictions and assumes they will come to fruition.  What I believe more and more is that they are behind closed doors telling GOP senators to vote for this disaster or ELSE!  That seems more consistent with how Trump runs his companies and operations.  Thereby Trump's predictions will eventually come true.  Are they waterboarding back there?  I wouldn't put it past them.  Who knows how infiltrated these KGB spies are and how far they are willing to go?  I know I know......I sound paranoid. 
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Posted: Mar 23, 2017 - 10:54am

 islander wrote:
Does Spicer read his briefings before he gets to the podium?  His robotic delivery and rote reading of the sheet in front if him is strange.  

 


We need Dana Perino back, if I am going to listen to bullshit which is basically the job description of the Press Secretary then at least give me something nice to look at.


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Posted: Mar 23, 2017 - 10:53am

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Oh FFS. But I suppose I should've expected this.
Fake news blah blah woof woof.

Kredo: DOJ Found Malware in Trump Tower Servers ‘Mimicking’ Contacts to Russian Entities




 
Shocked, I am ...

From Wikileaks ...

 UMBRAGE

The CIA's hand crafted hacking techniques pose a problem for the agency. Each technique it has created forms a "fingerprint" that can be used by forensic investigators to attribute multiple different attacks to the same entity.

This is analogous to finding the same distinctive knife wound on multiple separate murder victims. The unique wounding style creates suspicion that a single murderer is responsible. As soon one murder in the set is solved then the other murders also find likely attribution.

The CIA's Remote Devices Branch's UMBRAGE group collects and maintains a substantial library of attack techniques 'stolen' from malware produced in other states including the Russian Federation.

With UMBRAGE and related projects the CIA cannot only increase its total number of attack types but also misdirect attribution by leaving behind the "fingerprints" of the groups that the attack techniques were stolen from.

UMBRAGE components cover keyloggers, password collection, webcam capture, data destruction, persistence, privilege escalation, stealth, anti-virus (PSP) avoidance and survey techniques.


islander

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Posted: Mar 23, 2017 - 10:50am

Does Spicer read his briefings before he gets to the podium?  His robotic delivery and rote reading of the sheet in front if him is strange.  
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Posted: Mar 23, 2017 - 10:33am

 Steely_D wrote:
Oh FFS. But I suppose I should've expected this.
Fake news blah blah woof woof.

Kredo: DOJ Found Malware in Trump Tower Servers ‘Mimicking’ Contacts to Russian Entities


and Breitbart picks it up.



 


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Posted: Mar 23, 2017 - 10:29am

Oh FFS. But I suppose I should've expected this.
Fake news blah blah woof woof.

Kredo: DOJ Found Malware in Trump Tower Servers ‘Mimicking’ Contacts to Russian Entities





islander

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Posted: Mar 23, 2017 - 10:20am

 Steely_D wrote:
Please please please let him get a response of "I'm Chevy Chase, and you're not."

 


This is a pretty straightforward proof:

Chevy chase has said "I'm Chevy Chase and you're not".



Chevy Chase has played a bumbling president on TV



Donald Trump is playing a bumbling President on TV



Therefore, trump might as well have said "I'm Chevy Chase, and you're not".

BTW, They are birds of a feather - I wouldn't want to have anything to do with either in most circumstances.

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Posted: Mar 23, 2017 - 9:30am

Please please please let him get a response of "I'm Chevy Chase, and you're not."

Trump defends wild claims: 'I'm president, and you're not'



President Donald Trump defended some of the most controversial claims of his young political career in a wide-ranging interview with Time magazine published Thursday, in which he offered a simple and absolute defense of his method:

"I'm a very instinctual person, but my instinct turns out to be right. Hey, look, in the meantime, I guess I can't be doing so badly, because I'm president, and you're not," he told Time's Washington bureau chief, Michael Scherer.

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Posted: Mar 23, 2017 - 8:20am

Read President Trump's Interview With TIME on Truth and Falsehoods

terrifying 
Red_Dragon

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Posted: Mar 23, 2017 - 4:42am

‘Trump Troubadour’ went to 45 Trump rallies in honor of his late son. Now he feels ‘betrayed.’
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Posted: Mar 22, 2017 - 9:00pm

 Red_Dragon wrote: 
'Watching Trump in the White House left Breslin “a bit sour with what’s going on in our country.”

“Mainly because (Trump was) the kind of guy that in my neighborhood in Brooklyn and (Breslin’s) in Queens we despised,” Hamill said.

“The bulls—t tough guy. The guy is all mouth and couldn’t fight his way out of an empty lot.” '

Such a shame so many people got suckered. 

 pigtail wrote:


Don't forget the promise to buy American Steel bullshit:



The health care "plan" really gets me. Granted, it's Paul Ryan's plan but Trump is peddling it as his own because he never had one in the first place. It's yet another giveaway to the rich. 


Fewer Americans Would Be Insured With G.O.P. Plan Than With Simple Repeal



How the Rich Gain and the Poor Lose Under the Republican Health Care Plan





 


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Posted: Mar 22, 2017 - 5:11pm

AP Exclusive: Before Trump job, Manafort worked to aid Putin
Red_Dragon

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Posted: Mar 22, 2017 - 4:04pm

Here’s what Jimmy Breslin had to say about Donald Trump decades ago
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