[ ]   [ ]   [ ]                        [ ]      [ ]   [ ]

Republican Party - kurtster - Feb 13, 2025 - 11:23pm
 
Food Texture Issues - ScottFromWyoming - Feb 13, 2025 - 9:53pm
 
Trump - islander - Feb 13, 2025 - 9:00pm
 
Things I Saw Today... - KurtfromLaQuinta - Feb 13, 2025 - 7:40pm
 
Things You Thought Today - KurtfromLaQuinta - Feb 13, 2025 - 7:39pm
 
Wordle - daily game - NoEnzLefttoSplit - Feb 13, 2025 - 6:55pm
 
Canada - R_P - Feb 13, 2025 - 4:45pm
 
Radio Paradise Comments - GeneP59 - Feb 13, 2025 - 4:18pm
 
President(s) Musk/Trump - R_P - Feb 13, 2025 - 2:52pm
 
Democratic Party - Red_Dragon - Feb 13, 2025 - 2:52pm
 
Ukraine - R_P - Feb 13, 2025 - 12:30pm
 
• • • The Once-a-Day • • •  - Red_Dragon - Feb 13, 2025 - 12:16pm
 
USA! USA! USA! - R_P - Feb 13, 2025 - 11:05am
 
NYTimes Connections - geoff_morphini - Feb 13, 2025 - 9:34am
 
NY Times Strands - geoff_morphini - Feb 13, 2025 - 9:21am
 
Today in History - Red_Dragon - Feb 13, 2025 - 6:16am
 
Name My Band - oldviolin - Feb 12, 2025 - 10:53pm
 
Live Music - oldviolin - Feb 12, 2025 - 10:45pm
 
Talk Behind Their Backs Forum - islander - Feb 12, 2025 - 9:01pm
 
What Are You Going To Do Today? - GeneP59 - Feb 12, 2025 - 6:48pm
 
Musky Mythology - R_P - Feb 12, 2025 - 4:37pm
 
The Obituary Page - steeler - Feb 12, 2025 - 3:06pm
 
Way Cool Video - islander - Feb 12, 2025 - 1:43pm
 
Economix - R_P - Feb 12, 2025 - 11:01am
 
Health Care - R_P - Feb 12, 2025 - 10:57am
 
RP on Naim - Eggybeard - Feb 12, 2025 - 7:57am
 
Photography Forum - Your Own Photos - Isabeau - Feb 11, 2025 - 1:56pm
 
New Music - R_P - Feb 11, 2025 - 1:12pm
 
Edit option on my playlist - haresfur - Feb 11, 2025 - 12:52pm
 
Other Medical Stuff - black321 - Feb 11, 2025 - 11:39am
 
Song of the Day - black321 - Feb 11, 2025 - 11:27am
 
February 2025 Photo Theme - Wet - KurtfromLaQuinta - Feb 10, 2025 - 8:45pm
 
If not RP, what are you listening to right now? - Red_Dragon - Feb 10, 2025 - 6:17pm
 
Dialing 1-800-Manbird - Red_Dragon - Feb 10, 2025 - 6:12pm
 
Bug Reports & Feature Requests - kenkonzelman - Feb 10, 2025 - 5:51pm
 
Google Inc. - Steely_D - Feb 10, 2025 - 5:05pm
 
New York Dolls - Steely_D - Feb 10, 2025 - 12:25pm
 
Israel - R_P - Feb 10, 2025 - 11:36am
 
Test - Red_Dragon - Feb 10, 2025 - 11:30am
 
RP dropouts on BlueNode - frankfrench - Feb 10, 2025 - 10:53am
 
Peanut Butter Recall - Proclivities - Feb 10, 2025 - 10:32am
 
Radio Paradise NFL Pick'em Group - Coaxial - Feb 10, 2025 - 8:25am
 
DIY - ScottFromWyoming - Feb 10, 2025 - 8:22am
 
Are you ready for some football? - miamizsun - Feb 10, 2025 - 8:20am
 
Fires - miamizsun - Feb 10, 2025 - 7:38am
 
Food - Isabeau - Feb 10, 2025 - 6:59am
 
Strange & Cool Music - miamizsun - Feb 10, 2025 - 5:13am
 
Love & Hate - miamizsun - Feb 10, 2025 - 4:40am
 
Banksters - R_P - Feb 9, 2025 - 1:51pm
 
Bluesky - instead of Twitter - ScottFromWyoming - Feb 9, 2025 - 8:49am
 
Concert Reviews - miamizsun - Feb 9, 2025 - 7:48am
 
Why do the Monkees never get played on R.P? - KurtfromLaQuinta - Feb 8, 2025 - 3:28pm
 
Immigration - R_P - Feb 8, 2025 - 3:23pm
 
Birthday wishes - oldviolin - Feb 8, 2025 - 3:18pm
 
Happy Birthday!!! - Red_Dragon - Feb 8, 2025 - 1:09pm
 
Friends of Bill W? - miamizsun - Feb 8, 2025 - 1:05pm
 
New Yorker Magazine (Feb10, 2025) "The Mail" - Isabeau - Feb 8, 2025 - 6:26am
 
Mini Meetups - Post Here! - buddy - Feb 7, 2025 - 5:27pm
 
Breaking News - Steely_D - Feb 7, 2025 - 4:54pm
 
What Makes You Laugh? - black321 - Feb 7, 2025 - 10:56am
 
Solar / Wind / Geothermal / Efficiency Energy - R_P - Feb 7, 2025 - 10:20am
 
Environment - Isabeau - Feb 7, 2025 - 9:10am
 
I'm Thankful For.. - haresfur - Feb 6, 2025 - 10:51pm
 
Main Mix Playlist - buddy - Feb 6, 2025 - 5:48pm
 
Trump Lies™ - Proclivities - Feb 6, 2025 - 12:18pm
 
Play counts for songs? - basepi - Feb 6, 2025 - 11:53am
 
Climate Change - R_P - Feb 6, 2025 - 11:28am
 
The Grateful Dead - black321 - Feb 6, 2025 - 7:19am
 
Surfing! - kurtster - Feb 5, 2025 - 8:01pm
 
RADIO 2050 - GeneP59 - Feb 5, 2025 - 3:32pm
 
Lyrics That Remind You of Someone - buddy - Feb 4, 2025 - 8:34pm
 
Pernicious Pious Proclivities Particularized Prodigiously - Red_Dragon - Feb 4, 2025 - 6:55pm
 
kurtster's quiet vinyl - black321 - Feb 4, 2025 - 6:22pm
 
The Dragons' Roost - triskele - Feb 4, 2025 - 2:17pm
 
China - R_P - Feb 4, 2025 - 11:31am
 
Index » Regional/Local » Africa/Middle East » Syria Page: Previous  1, 2, 3 ... , 24, 25, 26  Next
Post to this Topic
DD gypsyman

DD gypsyman Avatar

Location: Joined Nov 27, 2006
Gender: Male


Posted: Jun 4, 2013 - 4:48pm

 sirdroseph wrote:
No, just no.  I think we should just pretend like Syria doesn't exists and point to squirrels anytime anyone even suggests we should do anything at all. It is a Dave Mason situation; there ain't no good guy, there ain't no good guy, there just you and me and ....no.

Mccain is being an idiot on this.{#Rolleyes}

 

Generally speaking, McCain is an idiot on everything. I agree with you - let the bastards kill each other all they want. Except, if we could get Syria to attack Iran. That would be something worth meddling in.... 
sirdroseph

sirdroseph Avatar

Location: Not here, I tell you wat
Gender: Male


Posted: Jun 4, 2013 - 4:44pm

No, just no.  I think we should just pretend like Syria doesn't exists and point to squirrels anytime anyone even suggests we should do anything at all. It is a Dave Mason situation; there ain't no good guy, there ain't no good guy, there just you and me and ....no.

Mccain is being an idiot on this.{#Rolleyes}
kurtster

kurtster Avatar

Location: where fear is not a virtue
Gender: Male


Posted: Dec 6, 2012 - 6:16am

 sirdroseph wrote:

Kurt, with as much dialogue as you have had with Richard and Schlabby I would have thought by now you would know that neither is a big fan of Obama and has probably posted as many critical post regarding him as you have. I really don't think that you are enlightening any of us by pointing your finger and saying I told you so to those that clearly do not and have never drank any kool aid in the first place. It is quite unbecoming and unproductive.  As a matter of fact, I don't think that most here are learning anything new regarding Obama's foreign policy failings from what I have seen posted over the years. Even those that voted for him expressed dissatisfaction with his hard core foreign policy stances that seemed to be more in line with Neo cons. Without speaking for others, I would guess that most people that participate in these threads that voted for Obama, much like you were not voting for him but against the untenable Republicans just as you were voting against "the socialists monster" Obama.

Edit: And besides, just what exactly different would you have expected Romney to do?  I think during the Jingoistic love fest of a the foreign policy "debate?" both candidates made it quite clear they would continue the same path of American Imperialism we have always been on, supporting whatever du jour faction will get us what we want at any given time.

 

I thought that they were fair remarks.  Schlabby has presented uber disgust with Romney openly and repeatedly over the course of the election.  He has only expressed mild objections to Obama.  One could say fairly that I have acted in the opposite fashion.  I will not speculate on why he voted for Obama and put words in his mouth.  I will admit that my vote for Romney was a vote against Obama, but it was also a vote for Romney in as much as I did support many of his positions.  I can't say that I support very many of Obama's.

I think that I can safely infer ( in a broadbrushed way ) that anyone who voted for Obama did so for two reasons.  A) they supported Obama and his positions which are very well known and / or B) they feared what Romney might be / do if he became POTUS.  There is a third possiblity that it was just a plain hatred of anything Republican that was a motivating factor.

Conversely, a vote for Romney can be construed as a vote against Obama's very well known policies, or a hope for something different with a new POTUS and / or a vote against anything Democrat in some cases as well. 

The debates ?  Well IMO the turning point was when Candy Crowley got up and injected herself and defended Obama on Benghazi.  She was wrong to do it as well as wrong on the events she cited in her defense of Obama.  Reading the lack of any real objections to Crowley's actions in the electorate and the rest of the MSM, Romney was DOA from that point on.  The third debate could have centered on Benghazi, but it was already apparent that there was too much apathy to overcome and Romney would simply appear to be beating a dead horse.  The apathy over Benghazi is still unbelievable.  Romney was simply reduced to a me too status in a quest to appear to be presidential versus confrontational.  It sealed the deal for Romney.  Romney could have rightly gone off on Benghazi, but it would have fallen on deaf ears and done more harm than good at that point.

What would be different with Syria under Romney versus Obama ?  We will never know.  One thing is highly likely, there would be some reservations towards acting hastily because he would be newly elected.  Obama on the other hand is already up to his neck and commited to a course of action already, despite any appearances otherwise.  He has to be simply because he is already in charge and must have plans of action already in place.  Beyond that, anything else about Syria regarding Romney is uber speculation.

Maybe I am wrong, but voting in a state where the outcome of the electoral votes is not in question, an opposing vote to the predicted winner can be interpreted as a endorsement of the person and their policies being voted for.  That would be true for any candidate, be it one of the two main candidates or an unlikely 3rd P candidate.  There is more than one issue to vote on the ballot.  Simply not voting for an issue / candidate and voting on other issues where no write ins are available makes more sense to me than casting a vote for someone just to vote against someone else.

As for Richard, he just appears to be attacking anything American with his poly posts.  With Beaker for example, we knew where he stood on American politics.  He was for someone / something and made it clear.  Richard just wants to be against everything and for nothing.  My motivation is simply to get Richard to declare what he is for.  I know that will never happen.  Like his occupation says on his profile, Meme distributor.  'Nuff said.


sirdroseph

sirdroseph Avatar

Location: Not here, I tell you wat
Gender: Male


Posted: Dec 6, 2012 - 2:29am

 kurtster wrote:

Yep. your preference for POTUS is sleeping with the enemy.

Doing the same thing with his guy Morsi in Egypt, too.

Are you happy with the unrest in the Middle East and Northeastern Africa ?

 
Kurt, with as much dialogue as you have had with Richard and Schlabby I would have thought by now you would know that neither is a big fan of Obama and has probably posted as many critical post regarding him as you have. I really don't think that you are enlightening any of us by pointing your finger and saying I told you so to those that clearly do not and have never drank any kool aid in the first place. It is quite unbecoming and unproductive.  As a matter of fact, I don't think that most here are learning anything new regarding Obama's foreign policy failings from what I have seen posted over the years. Even those that voted for him expressed dissatisfaction with his hard core foreign policy stances that seemed to be more in line with Neo cons. Without speaking for others, I would guess that most people that participate in these threads that voted for Obama, much like you were not voting for him but against the untenable Republicans just as you were voting against "the socialists monster" Obama.

Edit: And besides, just what exactly different would you have expected Romney to do?  I think during the Jingoistic love fest of a the foreign policy "debate?" both candidates made it quite clear they would continue the same path of American Imperialism we have always been on, supporting whatever du jour faction will get us what we want at any given time.


kurtster

kurtster Avatar

Location: where fear is not a virtue
Gender: Male


Posted: Dec 5, 2012 - 7:17pm

 RichardPrins wrote:
US Sends More Spies to Help Organize, Train Syria’s Rebels
The President has chosen to contribute to an opposition filled with al-Qaeda extremists

 
Yep. your preference for POTUS is sleeping with the enemy.

Doing the same thing with his guy Morsi in Egypt, too.

Are you happy with the unrest in the Middle East and Northeastern Africa ?
kurtster

kurtster Avatar

Location: where fear is not a virtue
Gender: Male


Posted: Dec 5, 2012 - 6:40pm

 oldslabsides wrote:
What exactly does the president plan to do if the Syrian government uses chemical weapons against the rebels? Tactically, eliminating the weapons would be very similar to the largely unsuccessful campaign during the gulf war to eliminate Iraq's Scud missiles. Besides, once again we'd be playing World Cop in a situation that is none of our damn business.

 
What do you want the prez to do about Syria ?

Didn't he make his plans for Syria clear during the campaign ?

Didn't you vote for him ?


Red_Dragon

Red_Dragon Avatar

Location: Gilead


Posted: Dec 5, 2012 - 3:47pm

What exactly does the president plan to do if the Syrian government uses chemical weapons against the rebels? Tactically, eliminating the weapons would be very similar to the largely unsuccessful campaign during the gulf war to eliminate Iraq's Scud missiles. Besides, once again we'd be playing World Cop in a situation that is none of our damn business.
R_P

R_P Avatar

Gender: Male


Posted: Sep 6, 2012 - 11:55pm

US Sends More Spies to Help Organize, Train Syria’s Rebels
The President has chosen to contribute to an opposition filled with al-Qaeda extremists
miamizsun

miamizsun Avatar

Location: (3283.1 Miles SE of RP)
Gender: Male


Posted: Aug 30, 2012 - 6:06am

 buzz wrote:

How does a world power that practices non-aggression help the people of Syria that are being slaughtered by their own government? Sanctions don't seem to work. Do we arm them? Doesn't sound "non-aggression" to me. Boots on the ground are obviously out of the question? Do we just sit back and watch and hope for the best?

 
a couple of things

a non-aggression policy would prohibit the initiation of violence, but not the response

boots on the ground as a means of defense (likely a last resort) could be acceptable if there was an agreement between two people/parties

if you and i have an agreement to help defend our property in a case where someone is initiating violence aggression that's morally acceptable

in the case of another country the first thing(s) our representatives should do is bring it up in a major way (like 24/7 non-stop coverage and our president addressing this directly) to the rest of the world what's happening and present the best evidence that we have and demand an immediate cease fire

point out who is killing/arming who and demand immediate accountability

the big problem we have is that we're involved and are basically engaged in the same shameful behavior which means we have very little or no credibility when it come to this type of situation

arming one gang to replace another with their brand of force/violence will never get the results needed (exchanging one bad regime for another)

we really should stop killing innocent and peaceful people and violating their human rights, it would go a long way to help our credibility and would be a giant step in the right direction

obviously we've got the presence and the capability but the leadership is lacking (we should demand a change in foreign policy - it's difficult to negotiate with someone when you're actively trying to kill or threaten them)

non-aggression is a philosophy, it will take time to spread, but people have an affinity for it (voluntarism, peaceful negotiation, etc.)

currently the vast majority of individuals don't use force and violence to achieve moral and ethical goals on a personal level and we need to extend that into our public/social lives as well

regards



Servo

Servo Avatar

Location: Down on the Farm
Gender: Male


Posted: Aug 24, 2012 - 3:55pm

 buzz wrote:
How does a world power that practices non-aggression help the people of Syria that are being slaughtered by their own government? Sanctions don't seem to work. Do we arm them? Doesn't sound "non-aggression" to me. Boots on the ground are obviously out of the question? Do we just sit back and watch and hope for the best?
 
A country like the US that had arming the Taliban with Stinger missiles come back to bite us in the @$$ probably should keep out of the arms business.  Like it or not, but unmanned drones and Hellfire missiles is the least objectionable option.  Note that I'm including doing nothing on my list of options.  Standing by and watching a massacre is as unacceptable as boots on the ground IMHO.


mzpro5

mzpro5 Avatar

Location: Budda'spet, Hungry
Gender: Male


Posted: Aug 24, 2012 - 7:27am

 buzz wrote:

How does a world power that practices non-aggression help the people of Syria that are being slaughtered by their own government? Sanctions don't seem to work. Do we arm them? Doesn't sound "non-aggression" to me. Boots on the ground are obviously out of the question? Do we just sit back and watch and hope for the best?

 
Unfortunately we do sit back and watch what happens.  Revolution is messy. 

We lost thousands of lives in our own.  And it was only after we proved we could have a decent chance of beating the Brits we started to receive aid from other countries.

As horrific as it may be we cannot solve all the world's problems and this is one we should not get involved in at this time.
sirdroseph

sirdroseph Avatar

Location: Not here, I tell you wat
Gender: Male


Posted: Aug 24, 2012 - 7:18am

 buzz wrote:

How does a world power that practices non-aggression help the people of Syria that are being slaughtered by their own government? Sanctions don't seem to work. Do we arm them? Doesn't sound "non-aggression" to me. Boots on the ground are obviously out of the question? Do we just sit back and watch and hope for the best?

 

Depends on who you ask and whether the individual supports the party of the sitting President and that goes for always, anytime forever and ever amen.
buzz

buzz Avatar

Location: up the boohai


Posted: Aug 24, 2012 - 7:10am

 miamizsun wrote:
these are worth watching (and "The Real News" in general, and imho, should resonate with the vast majority of people here, check it out) YouTube channel & the website




 
How does a world power that practices non-aggression help the people of Syria that are being slaughtered by their own government? Sanctions don't seem to work. Do we arm them? Doesn't sound "non-aggression" to me. Boots on the ground are obviously out of the question? Do we just sit back and watch and hope for the best?
miamizsun

miamizsun Avatar

Location: (3283.1 Miles SE of RP)
Gender: Male


Posted: Aug 24, 2012 - 5:20am

these are worth watching (and "The Real News" in general, and imho, should resonate with the vast majority of people here, check it out) YouTube channel & the website





helenofjoy

helenofjoy Avatar

Location: Lincoln, Nebraska
Gender: Female


Posted: Aug 7, 2012 - 7:24am

 aflanigan wrote:
A story about little noticed victims of the War in Iraq. IRAQI GIRLS FORCED INTO PROSTITUTION Apparently this deplorable "Survival Sex" situation has been ignored for a couple of years: Unveiling Iraq's Teenage Prostitutes
 
This has been going on for more than a "couple of years" all over the world.  It happens here in the US!
ScottN

ScottN Avatar

Location: Half inch above the K/T boundary
Gender: Male


Posted: Aug 7, 2012 - 1:37am

The good intentions as well as realpolitik, are writ large in the latest Administration statement on Syria. 

Many of the problems  in the Mideast (and other parts of the world), are the result of the west drawing and imposing boundaries creating "states" out of incompatible "nations".  Iraq & Syria are poster children for this short sighted approach. Somalia too (really at least two nations).  To deny a "state" to a very large "nation", and successful, segment of humanity—The Kurds—is to ignore the longer range, and perhaps unintended consequences that such political expediencies produce.  The civil war in Syria, as that is what it is now,, will claim the lives of many combatants.  But as usual in war, it is the civilians, just going about their lives and trying to live, who suffer most.


kopak

kopak Avatar



Posted: Aug 4, 2011 - 11:01pm

 romeotuma wrote:

Honestly, I don't know...  what I really find most interesting is that the data came from WikiLeaks, and the article is from The Kansas City Star...  most of my information comes from sources in New York, California, etc...  I don't find much international data from the middle of the USA...  

 

 

Monkeysdad

Monkeysdad Avatar

Location: Simi Valley, CA
Gender: Male


Posted: Aug 4, 2011 - 8:06pm


Huh.

I work in aerospace and I've been prohibited from doing anything business-wise with Syria, Iran, Iraq & No. Korea for over 20 years. How many more sanctions would've made a difference?


aflanigan

aflanigan Avatar

Location: At Sea
Gender: Male


Posted: Jul 13, 2007 - 8:28am

Alexandra

Alexandra Avatar

Location: PNW
Gender: Female


Posted: Nov 3, 2005 - 8:55pm

Page: Previous  1, 2, 3 ... , 24, 25, 26  Next