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Posted: Apr 7, 2025 - 2:44pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:
And the billionaire class is buying up the stock market at bargain basement prices.

It's not the billionaire's....they aren't liquid and don't need it....  

It's the trading class that makes $10M to $100M a year that's poised earn.

There is also the possibility that companies aren't worth 40 and 50 P/E ratios.

There is a hint of reason is some of the statements being made, but they are so minor in comparison to the larger moves that they become pointless.  This is burning the house down to get the squirrels out of the attic.
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Posted: Apr 7, 2025 - 2:08pm

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Jesus, just look at this morning. There's a 2 trillion dollar swing. That's such obvious manipulation. It almost looks like they are just trying to destroy faith in the stock market, do they think everyone will just put that money in crypto now?  Seriously, idiots. And those that support this nonsense are worse.


And the billionaire class is buying up the stock market at bargain basement prices.
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Posted: Apr 7, 2025 - 2:03pm

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that can seemingly be the only true "plan"
other than trying to get world leaders and ceos to grovel at his feet. 

Except there is no divvying up of the remains for the dominant class. Societal collapse = pitchforks. Trump and buddies wouldn't escape unscathed.
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Posted: Apr 7, 2025 - 1:53pm

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I've had a few frustrating conversations with people on this. "just wait", "4d chess", "he's a genius"... yeah, well no one is able to articulate a way this is going to work out for most of the US.  Honestly it seems like he's hoping for some level of societal collapse so that he can divy up the remains between his pals. I still don't see how that is a net positive for them though. There is plenty of room for graft and outright theft in the current system. I don't see how they think it's better if you make it half the size and then split it 6 ways

that can seemingly be the only true "plan"
other than trying to get world leaders and ceos to grovel at his feet. 

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Posted: Apr 7, 2025 - 1:40pm

 islander wrote:
I've had a few frustrating conversations with people on this. "just wait", "4d chess", "he's a genius"... yeah, well no one is able to articulate a way this is going to work out for most of the US.  Honestly it seems like he's hoping for some level of societal collapse so that he can divy up the remains between his pals. I still don't see how that is a net positive for them though. There is plenty of room for graft and outright theft in the current system. I don't see how they think it's better if you make it half the size and then split it 6 ways

Here's what I'm hearing from the 4D chess fans: He's crashing the stock market to drive down Treasury bond rates and force the Fed to cut interest rates so we can pay less to borrow money.

Which leads to borrowers tapping the Fed for loans so they can invest in, well..anything, which leads to inflation of security prices (malinvestment), and which the Fed finances by printing money, so we get commodity inflation.

Which is now a good thing, as opposed to the inflation we had under Biden, which was a bad thing.

Or maybe they can't see that many moves ahead on the 4D chessboard, but whatever. Hard to keep track with all this winning.

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Posted: Apr 7, 2025 - 11:16am

 rgio wrote:

Part of my thinks he's going to cancel everything....and tip that information to his friends and family plan members a day or two before the swing back.  It's obviously traceable... but who cares when you can pardon anyone you'd like, and punish those who get in the way.  

Law and order.  They'll show those DEI and BLM warriors how real weaponization of the justice system works.



Jesus, just look at this morning. There's a 2 trillion dollar swing. That's such obvious manipulation. It almost looks like they are just trying to destroy faith in the stock market, do they think everyone will just put that money in crypto now?  Seriously, idiots. And those that support this nonsense are worse.
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Posted: Apr 7, 2025 - 10:45am

 islander wrote:
I've had a few frustrating conversations with people on this. "just wait", "4d chess", "he's a genius"... yeah, well no one is able to articulate a way this is going to work out for most of the US.  Honestly it seems like he's hoping for some level of societal collapse so that he can divy up the remains between his pals. I still don't see how that is a net positive for them though. There is plenty of room for graft and outright theft in the current system. I don't see how they think it's better if you make it half the size and then split it 6 ways

Part of my thinks he's going to cancel everything....and tip that information to his friends and family plan members a day or two before the swing back.  It's obviously traceable... but who cares when you can pardon anyone you'd like, and punish those who get in the way.  

Law and order.  They'll show those DEI and BLM warriors how real weaponization of the justice system works.

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Posted: Apr 7, 2025 - 10:27am

 black321 wrote:


I'm trying, really trying to see if there is any silver lining in all this...J curve?...but it all just seems like an effort to create as much chaos as possible over the next 18 months before midterms.


I've had a few frustrating conversations with people on this. "just wait", "4d chess", "he's a genius"... yeah, well no one is able to articulate a way this is going to work out for most of the US.  Honestly it seems like he's hoping for some level of societal collapse so that he can divy up the remains between his pals. I still don't see how that is a net positive for them though. There is plenty of room for graft and outright theft in the current system. I don't see how they think it's better if you make it half the size and then split it 6 ways
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Posted: Apr 7, 2025 - 9:18am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

Hat tip to Lazy putting me onto the guy a couple of years ago. He's got some great turns of phrase, describing Trump's tariffs as akin to operating on a brain tumour with a brick. 




I'm trying, really trying to see if there is any silver lining in all this...J curve?...but it all just seems like an effort to create as much chaos as possible over the next 18 months before midterms.
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Posted: Apr 7, 2025 - 12:32am

Hat tip to Lazy putting me onto the guy a couple of years ago. He's got some great turns of phrase, describing Trump's tariffs as akin to operating on a brain tumour with a brick. 

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Posted: Apr 5, 2025 - 1:31pm

 rgio wrote:

Ironically, Haverford is now foundational for right wing insanity, after a solid run of far left craziness.  The school is literally run by the students in the best traditions of Quakerism... but something got lost along the way and "consensus" became synonymous with woke principles.   

It was a fantastic experience for our daughter, and she enjoyed her time in Howard's Library.   For all of the noise at the extremes, the vast majority were incredibly nice, normal, very bright people.   



"but something got lost along the way and "consensus" became synonymous with woke principles"

My take is that these kinds of group PC thinking are subject to pendulum swings. I heard from longtime professors that classes in the 70s were far more intellectually engaged and challenged conventional instruction compared to classes in my times during the 80s. Students by then were far quieter and accepting of instruction. There wasn't a lot of social consciousness. 

How was Haverford's social life? When my girlfriend was at Bryn Mawr, Haverford had only recently gone fully co-ed. As a result, there were more women students in the area than before and a lot of women at Bryn Mawr felt like they couldn't buy a date. Visiting there was strange: I either got hostile looks or would met very enthusiastic women eager to talk to me even though my girlfriend was right there and these women ignored my g/f when I wasn't there. Very bright, academically committed women but often socially resigned.  
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Posted: Apr 4, 2025 - 1:50pm


Black line = US Market since the asshole's inauguration
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Posted: Apr 4, 2025 - 1:48pm

 R_P wrote:
I came across some Substack or Reddit page about the absurdity of putting tariffs on places which are not sovereign nations, do not trade with the U.S., or are uninhabited (and don't trade with anyone).  The comments had a hare-brained assertion from some MAGA stooge that those tariffs were put onto Norfolk Island, Heard Island, and McDonald Islands to prevent Australia from using a loophole to avoid tariffs, even though Norfolk Island was slapped with a tariff 19 points higher than the general one for all of Australia.
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Posted: Apr 4, 2025 - 1:48pm

Necessary Illusions
Kicking Away the Ladder: The “Real” History of Free Trade
Debunking the myth of free trade from the historical perspective demonstrates that there is an urgent need for thoroughly re-thinking some key conventional wisdom in the debate on trade policy, and more broadly on globalization.
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Posted: Apr 4, 2025 - 1:15pm

Not that Norfolk! Mislabelled shipments led to Trump tariffs on uninhabited islands and remote outposts with no US trade
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Posted: Apr 4, 2025 - 10:19am

Did the stock/index ticker return to Fox?


rgio

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Posted: Apr 4, 2025 - 8:16am

Hey Kurt....


Now that we know airports are designed as swastika and the Nordic countries don't count when discussing socialism... Any thoughts you'd like to share of the financial destruction of our country by a guy who's delivered more bankruptcies than Elon's had wives?

I know you've got a lot to remember, so here are some of the "promises made" that you so happily like to share about other topics....

“I will end inflation and make America affordable again on Day One.”
 â€œWe will deliver the best jobs, the biggest paychecks, and the brightest economic future the world has ever seen.”
 â€œMy tax cuts will put more money in your pocket immediately—no more federal taxes on tips, overtime pay, or Social Security benefits.”
 â€œUnder my leadership, we will see an economic boom like never before, starting right away.”

Prices are going up on EVERYTHING soon.  If you couldn't afford Biden...you're about to become homeless under Trump. 

Looking forward to your rebuttal... but not expecting one.   You've got bigger fish to fry, like defeating the Squad before they ruin America.


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Posted: Apr 3, 2025 - 5:28pm

Essay form: What's wrong with tariffs
Tweets: 1/78

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Posted: Apr 3, 2025 - 1:51pm

 Proclivities wrote:

"Just figured out where these fake tariff rates come from. They didn't actually calculate tariff rates + non-tariff barriers, as they say they did. Instead, for every country, they just took our trade deficit with that country and divided it by the country's exports to us.
So we have a $17.9 billion trade deficit with Indonesia. Its exports to us are $28 billion. $17.9/$28 = 64%, which Trump claims is the tariff rate Indonesia charges us. What extraordinary nonsense this is.
It's also important to understand that the tariff rates that foreign countries are supposedly charging us are just made-up numbers. South Korea, with which we have a trade agreement, is not charging a 50% tariff on U.S. exports. Nor is the EU charging a 39% tariff."

“They’re burning down the house to cook a steak,”

This is the astonishing part. They just made up some numbers and threw out a policy. Now that policy is going to impact millions of people's lives - almost exclusively negatively. Is it worth mentioning that inflation and high costs were a cornerstone of the campaign? He alone can fix it? Day one?  


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