kurtster wrote:  Um, WHY was it never brought up for a vote? Because Senators filibustered every other dang thing, or threatened to, which effectively shut down the proceedings. The Republican strategy was (is) delay, delay, DELAY. And it's not about that crook Tom this time. They pushed out important business, betting (rightly) the new batch of crooks would have more success.

They ALL engage in dirty tricks. Every single one. To say the Dems are 'not doing their job' is horseshit. Their job is to fight for their constituents, with whatever means are available, whether it's filibustering or denying a quorum. You don't like it, I don't like it, but that's the way the game is played.

 cc_rider wrote: 

The Budget was never even brought up for a vote, that is the responsibility of Reid and Pelosi.  How can one vote on something that isn't even brought up for a vote ?

This is the new Democrat style, avoid voting and going on the record.

 kurtster wrote: 
He was hardly the first to express the sentiment. But it has never made a good position from which to govern - especially so when the electorate is so evenly split and a considerable portion of all voters are choosing the lesser of two evils.  I think it is all of our jobs to call out and not support this behavior from either side, especially your own.

 kurtster wrote: 
Oh snap, I guess you got me Kurt. You must be much smarter than me, so I see no point in trying to convince you otherwise.

 hippiechick wrote:
Well if the results of the Teachers' skills is only 34% of Wisconsin's 8th graders reading at the 8th grade level, with some of the highest costs per pupil in the Mid West, then they deserve to get their union busted for protecting these teaching poseurs.

The Republicans have proposed no budget.  The only budgets being discussed are Democrat ones. 

I know you rarely deal with facts, as you are not dealing with facts now.

As Obama once said, We Won, get over it !   

How does it feel to be on the other side of that ?

 kurtster wrote: 
So, U.S. Senate Republicans who filibustered irrelevant bills, while the budget issue loomed, WERE doing their jobs?

Wisconsin's State Senators apparently do not have the option of filibuster. They used the only method available to block action on a bill they abhor. Republicans in the U.S. Senate have used the filibuster to block action on bills they abhor.

Kettle, meet Pot.

 kurtster wrote: 
In case you aren't aware, this is about union busting and screwing the teachers. It's become the "style" now to blame all of the educations system's woes on the teachers' unions (See Chris Christie. )

The Republican's budget is full of vendetta, like denying $$ to Planned Parenthood and NPR, and it doesn't deserve to get passed.

 hippiechick wrote: 
The Governor is doing what he promised to do if elected.  No surprise, except for maybe a politician keeping campaign promises for a change ?

It will be the Democrats in the Senate who will shut down the Federal government by refsing to vote on the House's Budget proposal.  Now if the Democrats had passed a Budget last year like they were supposed to, this would not even be a possibilty.

The Democrats are responsible because they failed to do the job they were elected to do in the first place.

 kurtster wrote: 
The governor refuses to discuss or compromise.

The Republicans are threatening to shut down the Federal government.

Elected D's are abadoning their posts like rats bailing from a sinking ship.

First they have left Wisconsin and now they have left Indiana.  WTF ?

I hear they will be bailing from Ohio next.

The whole place is upside down.  Now Democrats don't want to vote ?

This is really the best exhibition of sore loosers ever witnessed in American politics.

And they will probably want to get paid while partying hiding in other states rather than showing up and doing their elected job.

The Teachers on strike in Wisconsin have even gotten sympathetic doctors to write them phony excuses to say they were sick while protesting.

And Obama has given his blessings to this behaviuor.

This is freaking insane.  And these are adults ?

 lester wrote: 
The latter...

 hippiechick wrote:

I'm confused.  Was kurtster continuing a discussion of war appropriations from the previous U.S. administration? or was he raising issue with Section 2006 of this bill?

 kurtster wrote: 
Excellent! 

Voting is beginning now, 5 minutes early.

8.09 est, passed 60 to 39

McConnell just said, "this bill is a monument to bureaucracy and spending"

WTF , he sure as hell ain't lying about that.

Live on C-Span 2

 hippiechick wrote: 
So your OK with bribes then ?  Chicago, Chicago ...

 MsJudi wrote: 
 
Down-payment on a nice beachside pad for after the rapture?

 hippiechick wrote: 

Yes, I will criticize. As I did Mr. Bush, Mr. Clinton, Mr. Bush before, Mr. Reagan, Mr. Carter...and those before. Yes, I will. I refuse to see this administration with blinders. I have not afforded any other administration, Congress, Party, invidual, a free pass when they did something that warrants comment and criticisms when appropriate. Especially if it involves The People.

When you have to throw something together...        As in TARP, the stimulus, and now, a massive overhaul of our health care system with the Government, from which it is ridiculous to expect perfection (or competence, efficiency, predictions...), offering proposals no one can truly follow. If the past serves as a guide to the future, expect any bill of the sort resting in The House and under initial review by The Senate, to morph beyond its original scope and intent and to explode a new hole in a bleeding-to-death spending spiral.

Ok, we must believe VP Biden only because he said it was, for the most part, done correctly. And how does that excuse what should be a Congressional Investigation into the creation of new Congressional Districts, some of which are listed as having jobs saved/created? You don't make that degree of error without a purpose.
This has the distinct stench of typical Chicago-style politics. You know, where the dead arise on Election Day to vote blue.

 musik_knut wrote: 
VP Biden explained that there was no question that the $$$ was distributed correctly, or that it wasn't account for, just that it wasn't filed correctly. Only 70 of over 30,000 were filed incorrectly, and they are being looked at for errors. After all, when you have to throw something together, it takes some time to work out the bugs. I have worked for companies that have launched software programs which take months to get straightened out. It's ridiculous to expect perfection, esp from the government, but go ahead and criticize anyway. I am sure McCain would have done a much better job, eh?

 MsJudi wrote: 

No more than believing Rhode Island has a 99th Congressional District, as discerned for the first time ever, or that other States have hitherto unknown Congressional Districts, when jobs saved or created were tallied and touted had such errors owing to "an inexact science".
You have to be purposefully inexact to create whole Congressional Districts.