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kurtster
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Ohmsen wrote: Natural gas is one of the cleanest burning fuel sources we have. It is pretty close to benign. Left to seep out into the atmosphere it is a dangerous toxic greenhouse pollutant. Perhaps the best bridge fuel that we have to work with. And then there is abiotic oil and all that comes with it. We have more oil than we know what to do with. What happened to Peak Oil that we were scared to death with about only 10 years ago ? To the other point. Yes, it is all about language. Controlling the language and word definitions, controls the conversations had / allowed, ie, censorship ... And a further thought. Perhaps it is the EU bowing to Putin since y'all are getting your nat gas from him instead of us. Don't want to offend him. He could cut off your gas at the turn of a valve. Just like he has done repeatedly to Ukraine. And the pipeline runs right through Ukraine ... Hmmm. Maybe Putin is simply thinking about the security of his pipeline ...
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Lazy8
Location: The Gallatin Valley of Montana Gender:
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Dec 24, 2021 - 7:56am |
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Ohmsen wrote:
So the people of the Ukraine (and the path they want to follow) are irrelevant here? All that matters is the bargaining positions of their powerful neighbors?
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steeler
Location: Perched on the precipice of the cauldron of truth
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Dec 24, 2021 - 7:07am |
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Ohmsen wrote:
Did you hear that too? Russia is concentrating its troops on the border with Ukraine? The west is getting nervous? Russia presents a list of demands?
The Guardian puts it this way:
Russia has put forward a highly contentious list of security guarantees it says it wants the west to agree to in order to lower tensions in Europe and defuse the crisis over Ukraine, including many elements that have already been ruled out.
Whoa these Russians, ey! What are they actually imagining? Just asking for 'things' here!
Hey, psst, what are they asking for?
The demands include a ban on Ukraine entering Nato and a limit to the deployment of troops and weapons to Natoâs eastern flank, in effect returning Nato forces to where they were stationed in 1997, before an eastward expansion.
Like right now? They want what the West promised back in 1990? What was the condition of the Soviet Union for reunification? That NATO is not expanding to the east?
Yes, hey, well that is absolutely unreasonable. Where are we going? Just imagine the other way around, that the West demands that Ukraine not join Russia and that the Russians station missiles there in the direction of Europe!
No no. OUR demand that Ukraine should join the West, of course, has no alternative, and it is also noble, democratic and good. THEIR demand that Ukraine join Russia ... oh wait, they donât even demand that. They are simply demanding that Ukraine not join NATO. So they ask less than we ask the other way around.
Ah!
Why is our demand noble, just and good, and their demand bad, ugly and mean? Did anyone understand?
But the Kremlinâs aggressive proposals are likely to be rejected in western capitals as an attempt to formalize a new Russian sphere of influence over eastern Europe.
Oh, that's because of the aggressiveness. If the Kremlin is demanding that our missiles point another direction, then that is aggressive. If we station our missiles in Ukraine and point them at Russia, then that is peace policy. Oh no, wait. Stability policy!
I find it extremely remarkable that nobody's head veins burst when they state that the Russians are the bad guys if they want the West to keep its promises.
Some may say, there were no such promises from the West at all. Yes, of course, that is the western reading. The Russians thought it was so absurd that NATO would work its way forward that verbal announcements such as of Genscher and then US Secretary of State Baker were sufficient.
Wikipedia about it.
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Does the Russian invasion and annexation of Crimea have any effect upon this analysis?
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Jiggz
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Dec 24, 2021 - 6:46am |
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Ohmsen wrote:
Did you hear that too? Russia is concentrating its troops on the border with Ukraine? The west is getting nervous? Russia presents a list of demands?
The Guardian puts it this way:
Russia has put forward a highly contentious list of security guarantees it says it wants the west to agree to in order to lower tensions in Europe and defuse the crisis over Ukraine, including many elements that have already been ruled out.
Whoa these Russians, ey! What are they actually imagining? Just asking for 'things' here!
Hey, psst, what are they asking for?
The demands include a ban on Ukraine entering Nato and a limit to the deployment of troops and weapons to Natoâs eastern flank, in effect returning Nato forces to where they were stationed in 1997, before an eastward expansion.
Like right now? They want what the West promised back in 1990? What was the condition of the Soviet Union for reunification? That NATO is not expanding to the east?
Yes, hey, well that is absolutely unreasonable. Where are we going? Just imagine the other way around, that the West demands that Ukraine not join Russia and that the Russians station missiles there in the direction of Europe!
No no. OUR demand that Ukraine should join the West, of course, has no alternative, and it is also noble, democratic and good. THEIR demand that Ukraine join Russia ... oh wait, they donât even demand that. They are simply demanding that Ukraine not join NATO. So they ask less than we ask the other way around.
Ah!
Why is our demand noble, just and good, and their demand bad, ugly and mean? Did anyone understand?
But the Kremlinâs aggressive proposals are likely to be rejected in western capitals as an attempt to formalize a new Russian sphere of influence over eastern Europe.
Oh, that's because of the aggressiveness. If the Kremlin is demanding that our missiles point another direction, then that is aggressive. If we station our missiles in Ukraine and point them at Russia, then that is peace policy. Oh no, wait. Stability policy!
I find it extremely remarkable that nobody's head veins burst when they state that the Russians are the bad guys if they want the West to keep its promises.
Some may say, there were no such promises from the West at all. Yes, of course, that is the western reading. The Russians thought it was so absurd that NATO would work its way forward that verbal announcements such as of Genscher and then US Secretary of State Baker were sufficient.
Wikipedia about it.
( Source.)
Smells like a diversion to me.....
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