Unless you love them enough to make that point moot (mute).
To our Government, that value depreciates.
In my esoteric way I spoke to somewhat parallel thinking. It's sort of a coping mechanism I developed along the way to tragedy. It seems to cover some bases, even if unarticulated on its merit. All part of a greater reckoning I suppose. Anyhow I jacked a thread where my arguments probably won't bear much fruit. Point being, the next moment is a precious moment to everyone. Seeing is believing. The rest is chaff...
Unless you love them enough to make that point moot (mute).
To our Government, that value depreciates. Lack of assistance to parents for child care, tax benefits, family leave... conservatives are consistent in loving 'life' while in the womb, but outside its open season with semi automatic weapons.
Curious as to why this forum thread was titled Abortion WARS. Interesting blend of terms.
Yes, this topic is unfun and uncomfortable, gentlemen. Just imagine for a moment, how all of you would feel if we were suddenly bombed by Putin or XI and the government had no choice but to reinstate conscription. Our Troop levels demand a draft because we do not have the feet to fill the boots on the ground. All of You would HOWL to the moon and back. This forum would explode with emotion.
We all knew Trump couldn't happen either. Matt Gaetz, Majorie Taylor Greene, Lauren Boebert, Gym Jordan, Paul Gosar, et al, will be more than happy to vote for the draft. After all, they're just gambling with ideology ... and someone else's lives.
The fundamental right to dismiss SELECTIVE MORALITY and Spectral Evidence. As long as this country values war and weapons over the health of its citizens, it is NOT 'pro' Life.
It is Forced Birth.
Having a child in the United States is parallel to purchasing a new car. As soon as that 'baby' is driven off the lot; it's value immediately depreciates.
Unless you love them enough to make that point moot (mute).
The fundamental right to dismiss SELECTIVE MORALITY and Spectral Evidence!
As long as this country values war and weapons over the health of its citizens, it is NOT 'pro' Life.
Having a child in the United States is parallel to purchasing a new car. As soon as that 'baby' is driven off the lot; it's value immediately depreciates.
Seems you're lying to yourself as your media prompt you to keep going. Otherwise, it'd be hard to stand, I suppose.
What's "falling apart" in your eyes has never been there, me tends to think, radically.
You don't look very radical to me, more like confused.
@RBReich : Thanks to the filibuster, 41 Senate Republicans representing just 21% of the country are blocking abortion rights, clean energy, health care, and basic investments supported by the vast majority of Americans. This is not how democracy is supposed to work.
Seriously that post makes no sense. Youâre just mad, bro. Enjoy.
While I might be somewhat off-topic... really? - So, tell us, what is it the world needs from America right now? It shouldn't be hard for you to tell, as you are such a superior MAGA nation, of course...
My madness seems to serve me, as the days of Coca-Cola and Rock'n'Roll have gone by.
So, what will be next from your beloved ministry of democratic marketing? - Will it be "Duck And Cover", again?
Meanwhile... to call you back to reality: Have you had an abortion? The border guard in California asks the Australian woman on her way to Canada during the stopover.
California! Not Alabama!
Seems you're lying to yourself as your media prompt you to keep going. Otherwise, it'd be hard to stand, I suppose.
What's "falling apart" in your eyes has never been there, me tends to think, radically.
Seriously that post makes no sense. Youâre just mad, bro. Enjoy.
This has got nothing to do with most Americans, so your screed is nonsense.
There are some Americans who are against abortion or whatever, and their strategies have included infiltrating positions of power to change/create/rescind laws allowing abortion that most people want.
This doesnât mean that society isnât free, or that itâs now âa bunchâ of fundamentalists (a vague term at best). It does mean that there are that sort of people - a minority - who did a dance around the complacent, and fooled the naive, and managed to pull some levers that they hope will force others into doing what they want.
That requires action. All the folks who feel differently need to recognize their numbers, protest and vote and say out loud what they believe in so the minority opinion doesnât control the nation. But your Chicken Little garment-rending about how itâs all falling apartâ¦well, it just means you need to go decaf.
Seems you're lying to yourself as your media prompt you to keep going. Otherwise, it'd be hard to stand, I suppose.
What's "falling apart" in your eyes has never been there, me tends to think, radically.
... and please, spare me comments starting with, "This has got nothing to do with X, Y, Z."
Umrika is shapeshifting herself, far too quickly for that one, and Umrikans (most likely) haven't begun noticing this yet, as ever-proud they were born to save the world from anything undemocratic by implying very undemocratic means to other nations.
The question of abortion can only arise in a free society. Umrika has successfully shown, they are not that. Instead, they are made to be a bunch of fundamentalists, with true monetary and power intentions hidden behind a religious veil.
This has got nothing to do with most Americans, so your screed is nonsense.
There are some Americans who are against abortion or whatever, and their strategies have included infiltrating positions of power to change/create/rescind laws allowing abortion that most people want.
This doesnât mean that society isnât free, or that itâs now âa bunchâ of fundamentalists (a vague term at best). It does mean that there are that sort of people - a minority - who did a dance around the complacent, and fooled the naive, and managed to pull some levers that they hope will force others into doing what they want.
That requires action. All the folks who feel differently need to recognize their numbers, protest and vote and say out loud what they believe in so the minority opinion doesnât control the nation. But your Chicken Little garment-rending about how itâs all falling apartâ¦well, it just means you need to go decaf.
Interesting opinion piece in the NYT today where this same idea is referenced obliquely - but thereâs an excellent distinction between conscientious objectors (who wonât provide what the patient wants out of conscience, so deniers of what someoneâs entitled to) versus conscientious providers (who break the law to give the patient what they need, regardless).
FTA: The American legal regime that governs medical conscience is broken.
While conscientious providers find virtually no refuge in the conscience clauses that are codifiedin almost every state, refusers are protected almost categorically. And just about all of these conscience laws are reserved for denials of care.
Conscientious refusers are often shielded from being fired, disciplined, held liable or found guilty for violating standards of care and endangering patients, even in serious ways.
Conscientious refusers usually donât have to tell patients about their options, or help them to access care elsewhere.
But few protections exist for doctors who have equally conscientious reasons to provide abortions.
The middle ages are here again!
Could be Pakistan, or Afghanistan, or Iran. Not to mention Saudi Arabia, as today's ever more popular heads-off regime, shapeshifting from failed to friendliest state ever! - It is because, y'all know, sanctions we imposed are must!
... and please, spare me comments starting with, "This has got nothing to do with X, Y, Z."
Umrika is shapeshifting herself, far too quickly for that one, and Umrikans (most likely) haven't begun noticing this yet, as ever-proud they were born to save the world from anything undemocratic by imposing quite undemocratic means on other nations.
The question of abortion can only arise in a free society. Umrika has successfully shown, they are not that. Instead, they are made to be a bunch of fundamentalists, with true monetary and power intentions hidden behind a religious veil. More interested in selfish financial, and power gains.
(Lowest chakra, base of spine. Spirituality=None, whatsoever. Completely materialistic society, as we've known for long, and not interested in the interests of other living beings. Egotistical to the utmost...)
It would take a lot, but Iâd suggest that ALL womenâs health care providers should just go about their business, without modification. What happens next? Prosecution (tying up the courts), imprisonment (really?), loss of license (more likely) and then - what happens to womenâs health care in general in the nation? Not that itâs already great.
But just like police have to give up on arresting EVERYONE that takes a toke in states where itâs illegal, if provision of abortion is so widespread that itâs impossible to enforce the law practicallyâ¦
Interesting opinion piece in the NYT today where this same idea is referenced obliquely - but thereâs an excellent distinction between conscientious objectors (who wonât provide what the patient wants out of conscience, so deniers of what someoneâs entitled to) versus conscientious providers (who break the law to give the patient what they need, regardless).
FTA: The American legal regime that governs medical conscience is broken.
While conscientious providers find virtually no refuge in the conscience clauses that are codifiedin almost every state, refusers are protected almost categorically. And just about all of these conscience laws are reserved for denials of care.
Conscientious refusers are often shielded from being fired, disciplined, held liable or found guilty for violating standards of care and endangering patients, even in serious ways.
Conscientious refusers usually donât have to tell patients about their options, or help them to access care elsewhere.
But few protections exist for doctors who have equally conscientious reasons to provide abortions.
