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Posted: Jun 29, 2024 - 4:06am

 kurtster wrote:

So the real takeaway from the debate is ...

Who is actually running the country right now ?  'Cuz it sure ain't Biden.



You know better. Just like the Reagan or Bush years, it’s not the single guy pulling every lever. But like Trump, they do set the emotional and political tone of what America should be accomplishing. (In the latter case, it was violence, self-absorption, provincialism, xenophobia, and fear. That seems unique amongst Presidential legacies.)
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Posted: Jun 28, 2024 - 8:06pm

So the real takeaway from the debate is ...

Who is actually running the country right now ?  'Cuz it sure ain't Biden.
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Posted: Jun 28, 2024 - 4:38pm

 R_P wrote:

Slow-release capsules


His cold is past.


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Posted: Jun 28, 2024 - 4:32pm

 R_P wrote:

Rupert's water boy projects too much: "Foreign invaders be raping our beautiful blonde white wimmens and taking 'Black jobs'!"

There are very dumb people on both sides.
I concur.


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Posted: Jun 28, 2024 - 4:08pm

 kcar wrote:

Kurt, remember years ago when I called you roadkill? You still are and always will be. 

Nice friendly guy.


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Posted: Jun 28, 2024 - 4:07pm

 rgio wrote:

To top it off, Kurt blames Joe for the felonies.  Everyone is out to get Trump.  It's so twisted, that the rest of the world can't believe there are that many stupid Americans.  
 
Trump’s name, presidential bid real reason behind ex-prez’s ‘hush money’ case: ex-NY Gov. Andrew Cuomo

Ex-President Trump’s hush money case should never have made it to indictment, according to former New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo.

During an appearance Friday on HBO’s “Real Time with Bill Maher,” the disgraced Democrat said the prosecutors in District Attorney Alvin Bragg’s office pursued the former president’s conviction only because of who he is and what he wants, reports The Hill.

“The attorney general’s case in New York, frankly, should have never been brought,” Cuomo told Maher. “And if his name was not Donald Trump and if he wasn’t running for president… I’m the former AG of in New York [and] I’m telling you that case would’ve never been brought.”

Added Cuomo, the former New York attorney general: “That’s what is offensive to people, and it should be because if there’s anything left, it’s belief in the justice system.”

Joe sent his number 3 man from his DOJ to lead the prosecution of Trump in NYC.

Biden's finger prints are all over the 4 cases.  Smith is an unconstitutionally appointed prosecutor for the DC and Miami cases as well.  

That you think that these for cases are uncoordinated and apolitical speaks volumes about your character and judgement.  I only add that because you have no qualms about judging me.

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Posted: Jun 28, 2024 - 4:00pm

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That's not what I remember at all. 

I'd rather have a condescending but effective president than an incompetent, obsessive-compulsive liar who tried to overthrow our democracy. 

Not only is Newsom condescending, he's an elitist Dodo head.



Did you see what he just pulled on the new tax law?
Talk about a dictatorship.
I live in this State. I see first hand what this one sided system produces.
Talk about a poop map.

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Posted: Jun 28, 2024 - 2:53pm

America lost the debate last night. And will likely lose the election in November. Not sure how long it will take to see if America itself is lost too.
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Posted: Jun 28, 2024 - 2:21pm

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Did Biden lie to Americans about Covid, try to suppress testing data, claimed that it wasn't a big deal when he knew it was? No, that was Trump.

There is just never going to be an honest assessment of COVID, inflation, or anything else even remotely factual in this election.  Trying to force it is useless.

- Trump created the greatest economy in history (his notion... not reality of course).
- If it hadn't been for COVID... (insert anything bad here... like he wouldn't have lost more jobs than any president...EVER... a fact.  Or he wouldn't have increased the deficit more than any president.... EVER)

He loses to Biden... and EVERYTHING is Joe's fault.  Ignore that the US has done better economically than anyone else... the pandemic deaths, global supply chains, 2 wars, blacks losing jobs (to migrants...nice touch last night), everything is Joe's fault.

The problem is that nobody is going to fact-check or challenge him in real-time...ever... and the one guy who had the chance isn't up to the task.  Can Joe govern...maybe...but he sure as hell can't debate anymore.

To top it off, Kurt blames Joe for the felonies.  Everyone is out to get Trump.  It's so twisted, that the rest of the world can't believe there are that many stupid Americans.  A close second to Trump faithful is their astonishment we can't find someone better than Biden to run against him.  

There is just no point arguing with the human projection machine.  You're being gaslit?  You're being lied to?  At some point, you have to show a bit of empathy for whatever drove him and so many others to be so angry that they'll believe the snake oil cult leader.  The election looks like it's going to come down to 1% of the population who live in 6 states.  If those people are foolish enough to believe that Trump is going to fix anything, all the facts in the world can't make up for a lack of whatever they're missing.
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Posted: Jun 28, 2024 - 1:51pm

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Yeah ignore the fact that Trump is going into the black community and speaking directly to the residents.  The Bronx and how about Detroit ?  He was warmly received in The Bronx.  In Detroit, he was warmly received at a black church whose pastor thanked him for visiting the real "hood".  Something that the pastor pointed out that neither Obama or Biden had ever done.

Trump is gaining a great deal of support in the black and Hispanic communities.  How is that not uniting people ?  Minority unemployment under Trump hit historic all time lows, for all minorities tracked. 

Sounds prosperous and uniting to me.

Trump is walking the talk. He is reaching out beyond his base while your side still panders and takes all of you for granted.

Oh, and Biden just said that he is running, will not drop out and will debate again in September.

Lastly, Trump did leave office when his term was up without the need or the threat of force as your side insisted would be necessary.  Can you be so sure of Biden doing the same ?

Have a nice day.

Signed,

Your favorite roadkill, it's what for dinner.  Eat hearty me bucko ...


Did Biden lie to Americans about Covid, try to suppress testing data, claimed that it wasn't a big deal when he knew it was? No, that was Trump. 

Trump was the one who fanned the flames of vaccine skepticism, which led to Americans not getting vaccinated or delaying. THAT helped lead to a surge of Covid infections and deaths. Biden did everything to push the vaccine forward and encourage people to get the shot. 

TRUMP WAS SUCH A COVID FUVKUP THAT HE ALMOST DIED BECAUSE OF IT. 

Trump getting support from Blacks and Hispanics? Please. Love those "Blacks for Trump" rallies where everyone is White. 

Minority unemployment under Biden is lower than during Trump's time. 

"Lastly, Trump did leave office when his term was up without the need or the threat of force as your side insisted would be necessary."



WHAT DO YOU THINK JANUARY 6 WAS ABOUT, YOU SENILE PUPPET?!? ALSO THE GREEN BAY SWEEP, THE PHONE CALLS TO SWING STATE SECRETARIES OF STATE TO FIX THE VOTES, THE ATTEMPT TO GET THE JUSTICE DEPT. TO DECLARE THE ELECTION RESULTS RIGGED: ALL THAT WAS AN ATTEMPT TO ILLEGALLY STAY IN OFFICE.


Jesus, Kurt, you are so painfully uninformed and brainwashed. Don't talk to us about Biden. Go see a dementia specialist.



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Posted: Jun 28, 2024 - 1:14pm

Slow-release capsules

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Posted: Jun 28, 2024 - 12:53pm

I can’t do Twitframe on the iPad. 
This is my favorite Trump and “Black jobs” post

https://x.com/BookerGWash/stat...
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Posted: Jun 28, 2024 - 12:33pm

 kcar wrote:
 And yet his administration has accomplished a great deal of good in a short time. The economy is far stronger than it was during Trump, even pre-Covid. It's not like Biden promoted bleach injections to combat Covid or kept promising that it would "just disappear." Biden had a disastrous night. Trump had a disastrous four years. Hundreds of thousands of Americans died because Trump failed to deal with Covid.
 
A stronger economy than Trump's pre Covid economy ?  Really ?  That is so wrong as to be hilarious that anyone would even try to make that statement.

Many, many more people have died from Covid under Biden than Trump and that is with the benefit of vaccines and knowledge of Covid not yet known during the Trump administration.  So that is a huge fail for Biden.


But Trump was just as bad. Sure he spoke forcefully but just about everything he said was a lie. He is incapable of accepting reality when it doesn't go his way. He practically grovels before Putin.
 

Yet Putin militarily kept quite under Trump. The world at large was very quite under Trump.  He took out Isis in a couple of days and that got everyone's attention, including Xi.

Now the world has become unhinged under Biden.

Biden also had the nerve to say that no US troops have been killed during his administration.  So how about Biden looking at his watch repeatedly as the coffins of the 13 deceased troops were unloaded from his Afghanistan debacle, which greenlighted Putin to go into Ukraine. 

Biden even said that Putin could take some Ukrainian territory and that would be ok with him.  So exactly who is in Putin's pocket ?
 

Trump has no vision of a united and prosperous America. 
 
Yeah ignore the fact that Trump is going into the black community and speaking directly to the residents.  The Bronx and how about Detroit ?  He was warmly received in The Bronx.  In Detroit, he was warmly received at a black church whose pastor thanked him for visiting the real "hood".  Something that the pastor pointed out that neither Obama or Biden had ever done.

Trump is gaining a great deal of support in the black and Hispanic communities.  How is that not uniting people ?  Minority unemployment under Trump hit historic all time lows, for all minorities tracked. 

Sounds prosperous and uniting to me.

Trump is walking the talk. He is reaching out beyond his base while your side still panders and takes all of you for granted.

Oh, and Biden just said that he is running, will not drop out and will debate again in September.

Lastly, Trump did leave office when his term was up without the need or the threat of force as your side insisted would be necessary.  Can you be so sure of Biden doing the same ?

Have a nice day.

Signed,

Your favorite roadkill, it's what for dinner.  Eat hearty me bucko ...
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Posted: Jun 28, 2024 - 12:24pm


And, glancing at Twitter, it looks like the Black folks are tearing apart the failed one term loser for saying that illegal immigrants are taking “Black jobs.” WTF are “Black jobs”?

And, now that folks have a little more perspective, the pushback seems to be that it really didn’t matter, since the former reality tv actor spent the debate lying to everyone, and has no good record to fall back on, and has said that he’ll be focused on “retribution” in lieu of running the USA. It makes the choice really easy: someone with a track record of trying to help all Americans, or someone who hired his daughter to work in the White House and cheated on his wives and continues to lose in court because he’s breaking the laws. (That is not a choice of “anyone” but Trump. It’s a choice of decades of competence vs decades of failure.)




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Posted: Jun 28, 2024 - 10:52am

 kurtster wrote:
To whom it may concern ...

I am surprised so many of you appear to be surprised with Joe's performance.

Joe's mental decline has been pointed out repeatedly to you all for the past several years and you all have been denying it.





And yet his administration has accomplished a great deal of good in a short time. The economy is far stronger than it was during Trump, even pre-Covid. It's not like Biden promoted bleach injections to combat Covid or kept promising that it would "just disappear."

Biden had a disastrous night. Trump had a disastrous four years. Hundreds of thousands of Americans died because Trump failed to deal with Covid.

https://www.scientificamerican...
https://www.motherjones.com/po...

And I know you like to pretend January 6 wasn't a big deal but Trump tried REPEATEDLY to overturn the results of the 2020 election. Trump has divorced himself from the reality of losing a fair election for YEARS. 

Several factors are causing Biden's unpopularity—his age, inflation and a general sense of "vibecession" arising from the belief that big-ticket items houses and college education are beyond the reach of average people. Yes, last night showed that at times Joe can no longer perform in a debate. I think it's time for him to step down as candidate. 

But Trump was just as bad. Sure he spoke forcefully but just about everything he said was a lie. He is incapable of accepting reality when it doesn't go his way. He practically grovels before Putin. His proposed economic policies would re-ignite inflation, according to 16 Nobel Prize-winning economists. He is hell-bent on stripping women of their reproductive rights. 

Trump has no vision of a united and prosperous America. It's all about him and sticking it to people he doesn't like—which is pretty everyone who doesn't suck up to him. 

You want to vote for this toxic clown again? Go ahead. Just don't come here crying when your medical insurance won't cover your family's very real needs anymore and inflation sucks away your money. 
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Posted: Jun 28, 2024 - 10:17am

 kurtster wrote:
"They" have indeed succeeded in making fear a virtue.

Rupert's water boy projects too much: "Foreign invaders be raping our beautiful blonde white wimmens and taking 'Black jobs'!"

There are very dumb people on both sides.
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Posted: Jun 28, 2024 - 9:10am

To whom it may concern ...

I am surprised so many of you appear to be surprised with Joe's performance.

Joe's mental decline has been pointed out repeatedly to you all for the past several years and you all have been denying it.

The common response was but, but what about Trump's age and mental acuity ?  How Trump is worse off than Joe.

So it would just naturally call into question the judgement passed on everything else regarding all things political. Or anything else for that matter ...

This does not reveal a blind spot. 

It reveals how effectively and willingly you all have been gas lighted by your leaders, the narrative and how your emotions are being played like a piano.

And as I saw somewhere here already, the desperation caused by how well the fear emotion has been engineered, with the comment about "any port in the storm" now as an alternative to Trump.

I take that as that person would vote for the Devil incarnate to keep Trump out of office.  That is real self loathing fear.

"They" have indeed succeeded in making fear a virtue.

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{#Cowboy}

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Posted: Jun 28, 2024 - 8:26am

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There are those that won't vote for trump, and those that can't imagine not voting for trump. This has always been about the unknown sliver of what's left over. I can't imagine it's a good idea to try an introduce a new candidate now, much less organize the money and come up with a cover story.  And they have about until last week to get it done. In the modern era republicans don't win elections, the democrats lose them.

Why accept these limitations?
Why not demand more ( which should have been done months ago… rejecting Buden’s hubris)?


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Posted: Jun 28, 2024 - 8:02am

 islander wrote:
There are those that won't vote for trump, and those that can't imagine not voting for trump. This has always been about the unknown sliver of what's left over. I can't imagine it's a good idea to try an introduce a new candidate now, much less organize the money and come up with a cover story.  And they have about until last week to get it done. In the modern era republicans don't win elections, the democrats lose them.

There is no doubt that this is a bad look for Dems, but the other reality is once you get through the convention, Kamala Harris becomes your nominee if anything happens with joe.  That's not a good answer either.

I can't believe I'm going to type this, but if the focus is on the undecided middle, then I think Michelle Obama is the nominee the Dems need.  I also think Newsome likely would also beat Trump, but he carries a lot of baggage out of CA that the Right is going to play on a loop (ie tent cities).  Having Barrack as the "first man" has a LOT of value.

I don't think Trump would debate her, and she would give people an option not named Biden or Trump, which has polled incredibly well.

Barrack is likely the guy who can save Democracy... because he can talk both Joe and Michelle into doing what's necessary. 

Like I said... I can't believe I'm typing this as no fan of the Obamas... but this is "any port in a storm" time.
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