Chris Isaak — You Owe Me Some Kind of Love
Album: Chris Issak
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Released: 1986
Length: 3:45
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Think of all the things we've done and now,
You've decided I'm not the one.
A love like ours just can't go on,
Run away baby have your fun but.
I, I, I, I, don't want to hurt you I don't want to see you cry.
I, I, I, I, just want to hold you love tonight.
You owe me some kind of love.
I don't want to see you sad I don't want you,
Feeling down I only want you to say you love me and you need me,
The way I love ya please believe me.
I, I, I, I, don't want to hurt you I don't want to see you cry.
I, I, I, I, just want to hold you love tonight.
You owe me some kind of love.
You owe me some kind of love.
Think of all the things we've done and now,
You've decided I'm not the one.
A love like ours just can't go on,
Run away baby have your fun but.
I, I, I, I, don't want to hurt you I don't want to see you cry
I, I, I, I, just want you back I don't want to fight.
I, I, I, I, just want to hold you love tonight.
You owe me some kind of love.
You owe me some kind of love. help!
You've decided I'm not the one.
A love like ours just can't go on,
Run away baby have your fun but.
I, I, I, I, don't want to hurt you I don't want to see you cry.
I, I, I, I, just want to hold you love tonight.
You owe me some kind of love.
I don't want to see you sad I don't want you,
Feeling down I only want you to say you love me and you need me,
The way I love ya please believe me.
I, I, I, I, don't want to hurt you I don't want to see you cry.
I, I, I, I, just want to hold you love tonight.
You owe me some kind of love.
You owe me some kind of love.
Think of all the things we've done and now,
You've decided I'm not the one.
A love like ours just can't go on,
Run away baby have your fun but.
I, I, I, I, don't want to hurt you I don't want to see you cry
I, I, I, I, just want you back I don't want to fight.
I, I, I, I, just want to hold you love tonight.
You owe me some kind of love.
You owe me some kind of love. help!
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And the question I have asked every time I've thought of him since the 80's- why is he still not yet a megastar? Especially with his soundtrack work. Wrong answers only, please
I think I'm looking forward to seeing him this Friday?! I've heard he's good live.
Nobody owes this guy anything.
BillG wrote:
We wouldn't play the song if I wasn't really, really certain that your interpretation of the lyrics is incorrect.
Awfully good of you, old sport!
We wouldn't play the song if I wasn't really, really certain that your interpretation of the lyrics is incorrect.
Awfully good of you, old sport!
As for the song, WOW, what a welding of fiery vocals and wicked, bluesy guitar! As for the politics, I feel, well, hell, just about everyone who's felt passionately about someone feels like this when confronted beyond deniability with the long and perhaps eternal process of quantum-de-entanglement and grief ahead. I think people can and do read way too much into it and throw way too much weird around.
I like Chris Isaak, but I cringe when I hear a man say to a woman, "You owe me.."
Never liked his songs, IMHO they are always whiney and full of self pity! What a wimp!
These lyrics are sung by a waaay too asssertive stalker, running from boorish to sexist to misogynistic and back. Pissed on it at "1".
ecojot wrote:
Pretty sure that James Wilsey (Chris's guitarist at the time) is a Strat guy.
Sounds like a Gretch
Pretty sure that James Wilsey (Chris's guitarist at the time) is a Strat guy.
Sounds like a Gretch
asilbuch wrote:
Thanks, Bill. Odd interpretation indeed.
And I don't think it was Chris' intent for it to be thought of as that kind of song.
Thanks, Bill. Odd interpretation indeed.
And I don't think it was Chris' intent for it to be thought of as that kind of song.
Is it wrong that I want to affectionately refer to him as the Sack?
BillG wrote:
We wouldn't play the song if I wasn't really, really certain that your interpretation of the lyrics is incorrect.
Thanks, Bill. Odd interpretation indeed.
We wouldn't play the song if I wasn't really, really certain that your interpretation of the lyrics is incorrect.
Thanks, Bill. Odd interpretation indeed.
BillG wrote:
We wouldn't play the song if I wasn't really, really certain that your interpretation of the lyrics is incorrect.
We wouldn't play the song if I wasn't really, really certain that your interpretation of the lyrics is incorrect.
hiddeninthesnow wrote:
We wouldn't play the song if I wasn't really, really certain that your interpretation of the lyrics is incorrect.
I could definitely do without hearing lyrics straight out of a date-rapists sob story. This makes the second song after YEARS of listening to your station that I've actually taken time to sit down, log in and complain about. Terrible choice.
We wouldn't play the song if I wasn't really, really certain that your interpretation of the lyrics is incorrect.
hiddeninthesnow wrote:
Let's see: he's saying that they were involved with each other, but they decided to part ways. He agrees that their situation is untenable and that she should go and be happy. He doesn't want to cause her pain, either physically or emotionally. He just misses the feeling of her in his arms and he feels that he got the short end of the breakup. He is pretty strongly in love with her still and he feels that the "ledger" was never balanced (not that he is going to force it to be so).
I could definitely do without hearing lyrics straight out of a date-rapists sob story. This makes the second song after YEARS of listening to your station that I've actually taken time to sit down, log in and complain about. Terrible choice.
Let's see: he's saying that they were involved with each other, but they decided to part ways. He agrees that their situation is untenable and that she should go and be happy. He doesn't want to cause her pain, either physically or emotionally. He just misses the feeling of her in his arms and he feels that he got the short end of the breakup. He is pretty strongly in love with her still and he feels that the "ledger" was never balanced (not that he is going to force it to be so).
I could definitely do without hearing lyrics straight out of a date-rapists sob story. This makes the second song after YEARS of listening to your station that I've actually taken time to sit down, log in and complain about. Terrible choice.
more of this kind.
Summerleeling here in the southwest of Germany. I enjoy this station all day long.
Summerleeling here in the southwest of Germany. I enjoy this station all day long.
More Chris Isaak please.
Something like Southern Culture on the Skids (Voodoo Cadillac? May not be the song I'm thinking of) would be a good segue after this with the similar guitar riffs.
mfcrowe wrote:
How, exactly and practically, did she verify this observation empirically?
Anyway, he's always whining about some form of broken or unrequited love.
An extremely sultry friend of mine saw him in concert shortly after this song came out. Her comment on the concert "half way through the second song there wasn't a dry panty in the house"...
How, exactly and practically, did she verify this observation empirically?
Anyway, he's always whining about some form of broken or unrequited love.
On_The_Beach wrote:
It is the other way round:
He: "You owe me some kinda love!"
She: "And you owe me 50 bucks - OK - let's make it 40!"
You owe me some kind of love . . . but I'll take 50 bucks . . . OK, 20.
It is the other way round:
He: "You owe me some kinda love!"
She: "And you owe me 50 bucks - OK - let's make it 40!"
10
(Nine crazy folks rated this "1" - if asked, I assume, they would argue: "tastes are different!" Proof what a foolish statement this is!)
(Nine crazy folks rated this "1" - if asked, I assume, they would argue: "tastes are different!" Proof what a foolish statement this is!)
An extremely sultry friend of mine saw him in concert shortly after this song came out. Her comment on the concert "half way through the second song there wasn't a dry panty in the house"...
You owe me some kind of love . . . but I'll take 50 bucks . . . OK, 20.
cayenne wrote:
'Zactly. "You owe me some kind of love." Yeah, that'll work. Go jerk yourself a soda, fella.
6/3/15 edit: nicenice segue, though: The Lone Bellow "Then Came the Morning" —> C.I. "You Owe Me Some Kind of Love."
The title of this song scares me.
'Zactly. "You owe me some kind of love." Yeah, that'll work. Go jerk yourself a soda, fella.
6/3/15 edit: nicenice segue, though: The Lone Bellow "Then Came the Morning" —> C.I. "You Owe Me Some Kind of Love."
Loved this album back in the day. V8 engine and leather upholstery to go with the jacket. Those were the days.....
This was the song that turned me on to Chris Isaak back in 1986. An excellent introduction to a man who puts on a great live show. He played at Hardly Strictly Bluegrass two weekends ago in San Francisco. That performance (and many other sets by fine artists) can be seen at https://www.hardlystrictlybluegrass.com/2014/webcast/
coloradojohn wrote:
Couldn't agree more, he's definitely got the range and emotion that channels Roy Orbison. Check out "The Baja Sessions" for some AWESOME afternoon acoustic chillin' music.
I'm so glad that we still have this generation's Roy O. in Chris Isaak; he's put out tons of good music -- and puts on a great live show, too!
Couldn't agree more, he's definitely got the range and emotion that channels Roy Orbison. Check out "The Baja Sessions" for some AWESOME afternoon acoustic chillin' music.
coloradojohn wrote:
Yes, you bet. Totally unexpected a great-great LIVE SHOW!
FIRST CLASS!
I'm so glad that we still have this generation's Roy O. in Chris Isaak; he's put out tons of good music — and puts on a great live show, too!
Yes, you bet. Totally unexpected a great-great LIVE SHOW!
FIRST CLASS!
Wow - 1986 !?! Long live Chris Isaak.
10 !!!!
Very cool tune!
I'm so glad that we still have this generation's Roy O. in Chris Isaak; he's put out tons of good music -- and puts on a great live show, too!
rdo wrote:
I just bought this as a used CD recently...and just turned on RP for the night...w.t.h..eck? ;)
I just bought this as a used CD recently...and just turned on RP for the night...w.t.h..eck? ;)
Xstar wrote:
You ponder some stupid shit
You ponder some stupid shit
1986?
Cannot believe it.
bev wrote:
Sweet tune; the voice is smooth, the guitar is sexy and raunchy...awesome!
Completely agree
Completely agree
The title of this song scares me.
rdo wrote:
You ponder some stupid shit
Whenever Chris comes on I just ponder, Why?
You ponder some stupid shit
That was an interesting segue from The Doors — You're Lost Little Girl...
Sweet tune; the voice is smooth, the guitar is sexy and raunchy...awesome!
Whenever Chris comes on I just ponder, Why?
Yeah I don't think this is from his Christmas album. It's from his self-titled second record.
This is how I want Isaaks to sound!
GORGEOUS SONG - 10!
And nowadays...?
Another moron with wify, house and 2 cats in the yard, I assume!!
GORGEOUS SONG - 10!
And nowadays...?
Another moron with wify, house and 2 cats in the yard, I assume!!
Love Chris Isaak.....ummm Yum!
Not sure how this fits on a X-mas album, but I love it!!
I've wondered on occasion if Chris's forays into acting negatively impacted both career orbits...
he could have had a MUCH more impactful musical career...
he could have had a MUCH more impactful musical career...
Love his crooning!!!!
Christmas in July!
bronorb wrote:
And again today, sounds good.
From Jim Morrison to Chris Isaak. I like it!
And again today, sounds good.
From Jim Morrison to Chris Isaak. I like it!
thewaxtadpole wrote:
Good karma!!!
Why does Chris Isaak happen to good people?
Good karma!!!
One of the best ISAAK-songs - ever!
But where is his gorgeous ex-guitar-player...?
Anybody know?
But where is his gorgeous ex-guitar-player...?
Anybody know?
yeah! love this song
Weird song for a Christmas CD. The holidays must be fun at his place.
I admire the dude for producing good sounding stuff, past and present. Thanks for noticing Bill!
dharmanavy wrote:
...and he's smokin hot
It seems like so many people forget about Chris Isaak. Not only does he have a great voice but he is an exceptional guitar player and song writer...Not to mention his program was funny as He**!...
...and he's smokin hot
Arowana wrote:
Are you lost? I think your Clear Channel radio station looking for you...
Play "Somebodys Crying" or "Wicked Game" instead!
Are you lost? I think your Clear Channel radio station looking for you...
I did not like Chris Isack before hearing some of his other stuff on RP. It seemed like he was singing just to show the range his voice had.
But after listening to him on RP, I have changed my mind and now like a lot of his music.
But after listening to him on RP, I have changed my mind and now like a lot of his music.
thewaxtadpole wrote:
Ha. He's just got the one schtick, yeah?
Why does Chris Isaak happen to good people?
Ha. He's just got the one schtick, yeah?
raulman1 wrote:
That's right, I have that cd! Christmas cd?...strange song to be on a Christmas cd
This song is on the album "Chris Isaak" which was his second album — not his Christmas cd.
That's right, I have that cd! Christmas cd?...strange song to be on a Christmas cd
Chris, Chris, its all about you - isn't it?
This song is on the album "Chris Isaak" which was his second album — not his Christmas cd.
After listening to him since his first album, I've finally come to the conclusion that he is Orbison reborn but in his own way.
His voice has that "Roy-ish" kind of flavor which I find more soothing than some of the raspy, off-tune indie groups.
His voice has that "Roy-ish" kind of flavor which I find more soothing than some of the raspy, off-tune indie groups.
Love Chris Isaak. Thank you.
EssexTex wrote:
It's that reverb/echo on his voice. I hear ya.
Great retro sound, never seems dated, or contrived
It's that reverb/echo on his voice. I hear ya.
Play "Somebodys Crying" or "Wicked Game" instead!
Why does Chris Isaak happen to good people?
Great retro sound, never seems dated, or contrived
It seems like so many people forget about Chris Isaak. Not only does he have a great voice but he is an exceptional guitar player and song writer...Not to mention his program was funny as He**!...
Chris Isaak... yummy!
meydele wrote:
Love that everything.
To those who didn't like the lyrical content: Many of you missed the boat there. It's not supposed to be comforting.
Sounds like Chris could be the guy Sarah McLaughlin wrote "Possession" about
liser wrote:
love that voice!
Love that everything.
To those who didn't like the lyrical content: Many of you missed the boat there. It's not supposed to be comforting.
Chris is all good - it's just a matter of degrees.
love that voice!
physicsgenius wrote:
I thought we all agreed never to mention Chris Isaak again.
Who? No-one OWES anyone love.
lunar1963 wrote:
It's a cover I think of a 60s song.
Every source I've seen indicates it was written by Chris Isaak.
mperetz wrote:Same old Ship... if you get my meaning. Nice voice, but please do something that doesn't sound like everything else you have ever done. Please.
Exactly. And while you're at it, Chris, try to think of something interesting to say for a change.
Same old Ship... if you get my meaning. Nice voice, but please do something that doesn't sound like everything else you have ever done. Please.
This guy is starting to annoy me.
physicsgenius wrote:
I thought we all agreed never to mention Chris Isaak again.
I wish you had, but no, here you are.
Chris Isaak. Looks so square. But feels so...funky.
Chronic source of cognitive dissonance
andersja wrote:
Sounds like a young Roy Orbison.
You should hear his cover of "Crying". Always stops me cold...gorgeous stuff.
Great, great stuff here from Chris. As I've said before he doesn't have the sort of persona that leads people to take him too seriously, but listening to his albums is completely different. He seems to take the music writing and recording process plenty serious, and the result is always really good and sometimes excellent music.
I would think that most of the people who dis him (bringing that word back btw) do so because they've seen a lot of him in person from his tv show or live performances and have a hard time respecting him as a musician after they seem him behaving like a sort of silly man. I actually find him amusing, but you get my point I think.
Have pretty much everything CI has done. Me likes me some CI! His show on Showtime is hilarious. He clearly does not take himself too seriously and his music rocks. Long live (and sing) Chris!
I thought we all agreed never to mention Chris Isaak again.
kazuma wrote:
Jeeeeez, this guy. He's a good vocalist and the instrumental backing is fabulous, as usual, but the lyrical content is dreadful, also as usual, and in this case creepy as well.
I really don't think a lot of folks would be okay with this "you owe me some kind of love" routine if it was coming out of the mouth of a guy who didn't look like a male model.
That is actually kind of fun, gives friction to the song. It's a cover I think of a 60s song.
BTW, it's like "every breath you take", lots of layers...
Saw him live once in Minnesota's "Historic State Theater." For his second set he came back on stage in a full suit made of tiny mirrors--like a human disco ball.
What's with the Christmas album cover pic up there?? Clearly, this is not from that album.
Although that is a good picture of Mr. Isaak.
I really admire him for delving into true Southern gothic territory - worthy of Flannery O'Connor or Faulkner. Obsessive, unfair, possessive, but still compelling and sexy as hell. And he does it well.
meloman wrote:
Roy Orbison did this a long time ago, and a lot better.
Yes, Roy has one of the most amazing voices ever...Chris is right up there, but Roy wins (IMHO).
ScottFromWyoming wrote:
He was pretty good in Silence of the Lambs, too.
Do you mean his acting? wow, did he have lines? I remember him in the movie, but ........ did he say something? lol
meloman wrote:
Roy Orbison did this a long time ago, and a lot better.
Yes, Roy did do this, but I think 'better' is debatable. I like Isaak's voice much more than Orbison, and the little I've ever heard of Roy seemed kind of devoid of life. Though, as I say, I haven't ever heard more than a handful of songs.
Jeeeeez, this guy. He's a good vocalist and the instrumental backing is fabulous, as usual, but the lyrical content is dreadful, also as usual, and in this case creepy as well.
I really don't think a lot of folks would be okay with this "you owe me some kind of love" routine if it was coming out of the mouth of a guy who didn't look like a male model.
A bit too restrained. I've heard him totally cut loose on this song while playing it live and it was amazing. This just kind of plods along.
Chris is the BEST! RP could play his stuff all day and I'd be happy.
Roy Orbison did this a long time ago, and a lot better.
Roverfish wrote:
WTF? Go post this in your journal or somewhere we don't all have to scroll past three pages we could have read on CNN or 8 million other news sources. Or post the link if it's that important to you...and while you're at it, perhaps you can figure out that there's a lyrics link at the top of the page so you can stop posting those too. Oh wait, then you'll have nothing to say...
That sounds good to me.
Reading the post of mxdcec gave me a new perspective on this song. So, if the post brings you down, simply let the good times scroll.
Sounds like a young Roy Orbison.
You owe me some kind of break.
I find his whole delivery so sickly.
If he wrote the dreadful lyrics as well it only confirms my suspicions.
Boking!
mxdcec wrote:
WTF? Go post this in your journal or somewhere we don't all have to scroll past three pages we could have read on CNN or 8 million other news sources. Or post the link if it's that important to you...and while you're at it, perhaps you can figure out that there's a lyrics link at the top of the page so you can stop posting those too. Oh wait, then you'll have nothing to say...
That sounds good to me.
I don't get it. I've had this album since 1989 and listen to it often. Never have I even considered the possibility that this is a stalker's song. It's a CI song.
B-dub wrote:
stalkers who think the world owes them something
BTK sentenced to 10 life terms
Victims' families confront confessed serial murderer
Friday, August 19, 2005 Posted: 0348 GMT (1148 HKT)
Editor's Note: The following report includes graphic content that some readers may find disturbing. Reader discretion is advised.
Carmen Otero Montoya lost four relatives to Rader. She said the killer was "such a coward."
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WICHITA, Kansas (CNN) -- Self-described BTK serial killer Dennis Rader Thursday was sentenced to 10 consecutive life terms after the court heard emotional statements from his victims' families and listened to Rader himself express remorse.
With a minimum sentence of 175 years, Rader, 60, will spend the rest of his life at the maximum-security El Dorado Correctional Facility near Wichita.
The state's department of corrections will decide whether he will spend his time in a 23-hour lockdown cell or in the general prison population.
"I'd vote for general population," prosecutor Nola Foulston told CNN. (CNN Access)
She noted that pedophiles "don't usually fare well" in prison and added, "I think he ought to, you know, kind of hack it out with the rest of the guys there."
The sentencing was in many ways a formality, with the only issue before Sedgwick County District Judge Gregory Waller being whether Rader would serve his life sentences consecutively or concurrently.
Rader could not face the death penalty because Kansas did not reinstate capital punishment until 1994, three years after his last killing.
Families speak out
The sentencing came after the state rested its case and after family members of victims spoke out in court.
The sister of victim Nancy Fox said Rader "does not deserve to live."
"This man needs to be thrown in a deep, dark hole and left to rot," said Beverly Plapp.
She predicted that, after his death, "Nancy and all of his victims will be waiting with God and watching him as he burns in hell."
Charlie Otero, who lost four relatives to Rader in 1974, said he "caused irreparable damage to the very fabric of my blood family."
Otero's sister, Carmen Otero Montoya, called Rader "such a coward."
Jeff Davis, whose mother, Delores Davis, was killed in 1991, called Rader "a walking cesspool" and "social sewage."
"There can be no justice harsh enough or revenge bitter enough," and said it would have been better had Rader's mother "aborted your demon soul."
Steve Relford fought back tears as he approached the podium. He was 6 years old when he let Rader into his home and watched him murder his mother, Shirley Vian, in 1977.
"I'd just like for him to suffer for the rest of his life," Relford said, struggling for words before walking off.
Rader, who had shown little emotion during previous court appearances, cried during the statements.
Killer apologizes
Prior to the sentencing, Rader -- dressed in a blue suit -- apologized to the victims' families in a rambling statement and wiped tears from his eyes.
He described himself as "a sexual predator" and "self-centered," and added, "I seem to crave the attention of the media."
Rader then went on to discuss each of his victims, drawing parallels between his life and theirs.
Now, he said, it is time "to rebuild."
"People will say that I'm not a Christian, but I believe I am."
He said, "I know the victims' families won't ever be able to forgive me. I hope, somewhere deep down, eventually, that will happen."
Rader proceeded to offer "corrections" to the district attorney over details in her presentation.
The former dog catcher complimented the police, and said he felt a camaraderie with them, "although I wore a black hat instead of a white hat."
About his long-term plans, he said, "I expect to heal and have light and then, hopefully, someday, God will accept me."
About his deeds, he said, "I apologize to the victims' families. There is no way that I can ever repay them."
Prosecutor: Rader 'pathetic'
Foulston was not mollified, later calling Rader's comments "pathetic." She said in court that he talked "very proudly" about his acts in a recent TV interview.
The prosecutor said Rader had "hid under the umbrella" of being a husband, a Boy Scout leader and church official "to get away with what he was doing."
She also urged the court to keep Rader from being able to look at pictures that he might use to feed his sexual fantasies.
Rader's lawyer objected to a request that Rader not be allowed to have writing materials, calling it a First Amendment issue that the defense had not had time to study.
Waller said he would decide the terms of Rader's confinement at a future date.
New details
Prosecutors spent a day-and-a-half presenting detailed accounts of each of the murders during the hearing, describing how Rader confessed to the killings.
The testimony revealed new details of BTK's reign of terror in Wichita, which ran from 1974 to 1991.
During morning testimony Thursday, detectives described the killer as a man who lived two separate lives.
They said he kept meticulous records of his fantasies and crimes in what he called his "mother lode" collection of pornography, but managed to keep that part of his life secret from his wife and two children, the church he served as congregation president and the Boy Scout troop he helped lead.
Rader, who called himself BTK for "bind, torture and kill," pleaded guilty in June to 10 murders committed from 1974 to 1991. The killer taunted authorities as well as the media through letters and packages he sent over several years.
Rader was arrested in February after investigators discovered his identity from a computer disk he had sent police.
In his killings, he took "trophies" from victims, including jewelry and clothing. He also snapped hundreds of Polaroid photographs of his victims and chronicled the community's reaction to his killings by collecting newspaper articles.
In the office of his 900-square-foot home, he created folders and binders that documented his crimes.
He also collected hundreds of index cards on which he glued or taped pictures he had cut from newspapers and magazines showing models -- some boys, but most of them girls and young women, said Wichita police Lt. Ken Landwehr.
He would make notations on the back of each card, indicating his sexual and criminal fantasy, Landwehr said.
In a shed on his property, police found soiled lingerie and a number of sexually oriented books and magazines, carefully protected in plastic.
Rader would sometimes set up his tripod and Polaroid in hotel rooms and take pictures of himself in various stages of bondage, Landwehr said.
"He was a practitioner of auto-erotic activity," Landwehr said, adding that Rader at times would cut his own supply of oxygen in search of "a heightened feeling of euphoria" during sexual release.
BTK took body to church, says investigator
BTK killer Dennis Rader listens to the statements of his victims' families on Thursday.
WICHITA, Kansas (CNN) -- BTK murderer Dennis Rader took the body of one of his victims to church, a sheriff investigator said Wednesday.
Sgt. Tom Lee testified Rader told him that after strangling his 53-year-old neighbor, Marine Hedge, in her home on April 27, 1985, he took her body to his church where he took photographs of her in bondage positions.
Rader dumped the body in a remote ditch. Lee said Rader told investigators he took the body to the church to "have his way with her" -- to fulfill his sexual fantasies.
Rader had left black plastic sheets and other material at the church in anticipation of the killing.
"He advised to me that she was going to the church alive or dead -- either way," Lee said.
Rader seemed particularly proud of the killing because Hedge lived just a few houses from him.
He had dubbed his plan "Project Cookie."
"He stated to me that if he could really pull it off, right by his house, it would really be a biggie," Lee said.
"He told me it was really bad for a guy to knock one of the neighbors off -- it's not good for a serial killer because you don't want to kill in your own habitat."
At the time of his arrest last February 25, Rader, a father of two grown children, was the president of his Lutheran church.
Investigators said Rader told them he would use a squeeze ball as exercise to build up his hand strength in preparation for stranglings, that he typically masturbated after killings, and that he took underwear from female victims and wore them.
He also had "after-life" plans for his female victims, including one who was to be his mistress and another who would act as his bondage servant.
Some of the victims would regain consciousness after being choked and Rader would whisper in their ears that he was "BTK."
"That was his form of torture," said Tim Relph, a Wichita police detective. "He certainly wanted them to know that you were being killed by BTK."
Wichita Police detective Dana Gouge said even after detailing the killings to investigators, Rader told them he could be mean at times, but, "On the other hand, I'm a nice guy, I'm a nice guy."
Gouge said Rader told him that the 1977 killing of Shirley Vian, who was sick at home with her three children, did not go as planned.
He had hoped to kill the children, but he had to leave the scene before that happened.
Gouge said that when Rader recounted that the children survived, the killer angrily shouted, "Christ!"
Wichita Police detective Clint Snyder said Rader expressed disappointment that he reverted to stabbing Kathryn Bright -- instead of strangling her -- in April 1974, just months after his first killings.
"She fought like a hellcat," Snyder quoted Rader as saying. "There was no way I was ever going to do what I wanted to do, and I had to put her down."
Rader, he said, added that stabbing or shooting somebody was not his "forte." Rader rushed that killing because Bright's brother, Kevin, was also home.
Rader had tied the brother up in a bedroom and tried to strangle him, but Kevin Bright fought off his attacker, Snyder said.
Rader said he shot the brother twice, including one shot in which he did "one of those John Wayne things," Snyder said.
Rader thought the brother was dead and went to finish off his sister, but Kevin Bright ran from the home.
Rader stabbed Kathryn Bright 11 times, Snyder said. Rader appeared proud as he recounted the killing: "He commented to me at one point, 'I'm sorry, I know this is a human being, but I'm a monster,'" Snyder said.
Kevin Bright recovered from his wounds.
Rader's killing spree began on January 15, 1974, when he entered the home of Joseph and Julie Otero -- a home he selected because he had targeted their 11-year-old daughter, Josephine, for sex and a killing, Kansas Bureau of Investigation agents testified.
Rader first killed the girl's parents in their bedroom as she and her 9-year-old brother, Joseph Jr., watched. He then dragged the boy to his room, wrapped two T-shirts around his head and covered it with a plastic bag; Rader pulled up a chair and watched as the boy struggled on his bed and rolled onto the floor, where he died, said Larry Thomas, a KBI special agent.
Thomas said Rader told authorities he then prepared for his "encore" -- killing Josephine. Rader escorted the girl to the basement of the family home, removing her clothing along the way and rubbing her. He had already prepared a noose around a basement sewer pipe.
"As he walked her over toward that position, he first asked for a camera because he wanted to take a picture. She responded that she did not have a camera. She then asked, 'What's going to happen to me?'
"And he told her that she would soon be in heaven with the others."
A gag was placed in her mouth and he hoisted her with the noose. As she writhed, Rader masturbated, Thomas said. "He said it was a sexual release for him."
KBI special agent Ray Lundin said Rader had picked the Otero family because he was attracted to "Hispanic-looking people."
"I guess Hispanic people just turn me on," Lundin said Rader told authorities.
Rader said he was particularly fascinated by the 11-year-old. "Josephine would really be his primary target because he was attracted to 'younger women,' I think is what he called it," Lundin said. "I don't know how you call an 11-year-old a woman, but he said 'younger women.'"
You Owe Me Some Kind Of Love
Think of all the things we've done and now, you've decided I'm not the one.
A love like ours just can't go on, run away baby have your fun but,
I, I, I, I, don't wana hurt you I don't wanna see you cry.
I, I, I, I, just wanna hold your love tonight.
You owe me some kind of love.
I don't want to see you sad I don't want ya, feeling down I only want ya,
To say you love me and you need me, the way I love you please believe me.
I, I, I, I, don't wana hurt you I don't wanna see you cry.
I, I, I, I, just wanna hold your love tonight.
You owe me some kind of love.
You owe me some kind of love.
Think of all the things we've done and now, you've decided I'm not the one.
A love like ours just can't go on, run away baby have your fun but,
I, I, I, I, don't wana hurt you I don't wanna see you cry.
I, I, I, I, just want you back I don't want to fight.
I, I, I, I, just wanna hold your love tonight.
You owe me some kind of love.
You owe me some kind of love.
Help!
ObeliskToucher wrote:
"Songs for stalkers"
stalkers who think the world owes them something
"Songs for stalkers"
I keep hearing Ricky Ricardo at that one part... "EYE YI YI YI"
Isobel wrote:
Ick. His first hit was amusing and kind of fun, but now that I realize he's serious about sounding like this, I sure wouldn't want to have to pick him up at the airport.
i would pick him up at the airport. i would pick him up at the supermarket. hell, i'd even pick him up out of the gutter.
pksgorilla wrote:
Needs to be played real loud!
ear-bleed loud!
neighbors drag you into the street loud!
cat tunnels into the mattress loud!
Needs to be played real loud!
I...I...I...I...don't wanna hurt you
I don't wanna see you cry...
People will probably always think of him in connection to that guitar sound No problem, there are far worse trademarks!
CI told you so... \:D/
the music is so cool this afternoon, i don't want to leave work.
Ick. His first hit was amusing and kind of fun, but now that I realize he's serious about sounding like this, I sure wouldn't want to have to pick him up at the airport.
... and I think the global climate crisis will soon resolve itself at this rate by the human race removing all possibilities of reproducing itself due to an excess of political correctness and gender confusion! Just saying... if I'm still allowed to express an opinion.