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The Cure — Fascination Street
Album: Disintegration
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Released: 1989
Length: 5:09
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Oh, it's opening time down on Fascination Street
So let's cut the conversation and get out for a bit
Because I feel it all fading and paling and I'm begging
To drag you down with me, to kick the last nail in

Yeah, I like you in that, like I like you to scream
But if you open your mouth, then I can't be responsible
For quite what goes in or to care what comes out
So just pull on your hair, just pull on your pout

And let's move to the beat like we know that it's over
If you slip going under, slip over my shoulder
So just pull on your face, just pull on your feet
And let's hit opening time down on Fascination Street

So pull on your hair, pull on your pout
Cut the conversation, just open your mouth
Pull on your face, pull on your feet
And let's hit opening time down on Fascination Street

Down on Fascination Street
Down on Fascination Street
Down on Fascination Street
On Fascination Street
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Having just seen The Cure on their latest tour I find that one cannot deny their longevity and the fact that there were people in the crowd of all age groups enjoying their music.  Never in my life would I ever had imagined that this band I heard clear back in the early '80's for the first time would still be a part of my life 40 years later.  Is that what a fan is?
Posted 11 months ago by ick    [ Reply ]
 user4176 wrote:

7 for the music +1 for the times it comes from :-)



Love the Cure, but they don't get a +1 for a cool band name. Definitely a +1 for the times they come from though!
Posted 1 year ago by Kajukenbo    [ Reply ]
 nomnol wrote:
I may be echoing previous sentiments but the more I listen to the Cure, the more I realize what a fan I am.    

Same here, never knew of them until I tuned it to RP.
Posted 2 years ago by eyke    [ Reply ]
The bass and percussion lay down such an incredible foundation for this track, its like an oozing oppressive atmosphere.

Makes me feel like i'm walking on the damp concrete around Chernobyl...
Posted 2 years ago by snowcone    [ Reply ]
ah, so great!
the louder you turn it up, the better it gets - just do it!
and then listen to it again as live version on "entreat". i know in the comments the bass line is mentioned but as a drummer i have to say: this and the other songs have such a straight drum line, just variations at every end of a sequence that are just brilliant.
Posted 2 years ago by danny_t    [ Reply ]
One of my all time favourite albums from start to finish! Brings back memories!
Posted 2 years ago by Malachy    [ Reply ]
The brilliant Porl Thompson all over this
Posted 3 years ago by thewiseking    [ Reply ]
I may be echoing previous sentiments but the more I listen to the Cure, the more I realize what a fan I am.    
Posted 3 years ago by nomnol    [ Reply ]
The Cure sure were fans of that squealy, bird-like effect.
Posted 3 years ago by mrselfdestruct    [ Reply ]
 justin4kick wrote:
Down on Vaccination Street

 
Luckily, here's The Cure!

Posted 3 years ago by daveysprocket    [ Reply ]
Down on Vaccination Street

Posted 3 years ago by justin4kick    [ Reply ]
Coolest. Bass. Ever.
Posted 4 years ago by mdnlsn    [ Reply ]
Perfectly fits the mood I'm in today.
Posted 4 years ago by buddy    [ Reply ]
love love love this song.
Posted 4 years ago by jahgirl8    [ Reply ]
One of my all time favourites and brilliant track to be played on keyboards.

And that killer bass line... Oooh.
Posted 4 years ago by maboleth    [ Reply ]
 Redpoint wrote:
Never been a big Cure fan. But this is a stellar track. Love the driving bass.
 

Oh, You have to listen "Cure Live in Orange" I think, is there every track is more cool then studio recording one!
Posted 5 years ago by Anatol    [ Reply ]
Porl Thompson's guitar work makes this 
Posted 5 years ago by thewiseking    [ Reply ]
Good follow up to Plant a bit ago!
Posted 5 years ago by dublanica    [ Reply ]
 user4176 wrote:
7 for the music +1 for the times it comes from :-)

 
That is a very good way of rating - I have been trying to come up with a rating system myself and justifying it to others who may not relate to 'the time'.  Well done user4176.

This is a 7+1 from me too! 
Posted 7 years ago by Stephen_Phillips    [ Reply ]
summer nights - hot humid air - mix tape on - nuff said..........
Posted 7 years ago by ai63    [ Reply ]
7 for the music +1 for the times it comes from :-)
Posted 7 years ago by user4176    [ Reply ]
i can be a brooding emo at times love it 9
Posted 7 years ago by legacyofrob827    [ Reply ]
Never been a big Cure fan. But this is a stellar track. Love the driving bass.
Posted 7 years ago by Redpoint    [ Reply ]
Yass 10 from me for this great AGAIN
Posted 7 years ago by arserocket    [ Reply ]
 Sakkerju wrote:
The Cure....AGAIN

 
yeah ain't it cool, Bill knows how to spin those records
I got it at 8
Posted 8 years ago by Skydog    [ Reply ]
 thewiseking wrote:
ah, the guitar and the bass, perfectly mixed with the monotonous vocals. perfection. 

 
Monotonous? {#Ask} Surely not.
Posted 8 years ago by markybx    [ Reply ]
 bttcld66 wrote:
A M A Z I N G !!!
Bill, next time play the MixUp version, please!!

 
I thing that this version not so bad) But Mixed Up vesion a little bit stronger!)
Posted 8 years ago by cebadores    [ Reply ]
ah, the guitar and the bass, perfectly mixed with the monotonous vocals. perfection. 
Posted 8 years ago by thewiseking    [ Reply ]
 bttcld66 wrote:
A M A Z I N G !!!
Bill, next time play the MixUp version, please!!

 
Yes, the MixUp version is cool. I remember buying this cd and the sticker on the packaging stated "mixed to play loud or something to that effect" {#Cool}
Posted 8 years ago by ShaunJ    [ Reply ]
A M A Z I N G !!!
Bill, next time play the MixUp version, please!!
Posted 8 years ago by bttcld66    [ Reply ]
 trevc wrote:
Whine, whine, yuck.

 
 ashmj000 wrote:

Who, Robert or you?


{#Wink}
Posted 8 years ago by Skydog    [ Reply ]
This has to be one of my favourite songs off one of my favourite albums of all time. What an emotional trip.
Posted 8 years ago by Ag3nt0rang3    [ Reply ]
 nicP wrote:
Disintegration one of my favorites album of ever.
Fascination street is hypnotic beautiful ..

 
Agreed {#Yes}
Posted 8 years ago by kanga311    [ Reply ]
Disintegration one of my favorites album of ever.
Fascination street is hypnotic beautiful ..
Posted 8 years ago by nicP    [ Reply ]
Grew up in the eighties and couldn't stand that band, just like Depeche Moan. Today I realise The Cure were actually the prolegomena of techno. That's why they got SO successful.
Posted 9 years ago by eveliko    [ Reply ]
 trevc wrote:
Whine, whine, yuck.

 
Who, Robert or you?
Posted 9 years ago by ashmj000    [ Reply ]
Whine, whine, yuck.
Posted 9 years ago by trevc    [ Reply ]
there it is - my daily blast of The Cure - thanks RP!
Posted 9 years ago by Oldfastbowler    [ Reply ]
I can't image the feeling when an artist sits back and listens to the end result of their efforts for the first time.  Pass the cigars, boys....  10.
Posted 9 years ago by DaidyBoy    [ Reply ]
So good until he starts to sing.
Posted 9 years ago by DearDM    [ Reply ]
Me likey like!
{#Dance} 
Posted 9 years ago by ljoergen    [ Reply ]
 FrnaZ wrote:
I find the bass line too repetitive (as it is very present in the mix).

 
I can see why some folks may find it repetitive, especially with its being mixed so high, but in most pop, rock, funk,or soul music, bass lines - being a major part of the rhythm section - are required to be repetitive, especially in a song with this sort of groove.  Incidentally, this song does not use a "robo-drummer" as alleged below; at most it's a loop of live drums played by their drummer.
Posted 10 years ago by Proclivities    [ Reply ]
What's not to like here?.....A great track
Posted 10 years ago by Oldfastbowler    [ Reply ]
 FrnaZ wrote:
I find the bass line too repetitive (as it is very present in the mix).
 
I was noticing how up-front the bass is. Mixed almost like a lead instrument.
Posted 10 years ago by On_The_Beach    [ Reply ]
Agreed. It's hard to tell sometimes if the top banner's playlist is current. When I saw Fascination Street I was really hoping it was not. Ended up muting it. 

kingart wrote:
I don't want to hear this very often. Like, once every five years. It's just not that fascinating. Repeated listenings would make my skull throb. Robodrumming and full of angst. 

 


Posted 10 years ago by DeAun    [ Reply ]
Classic. And yes the sound is VERY dense and dark.
Posted 10 years ago by JohnnySockhead    [ Reply ]
A loved one. Then and still..
Posted 10 years ago by Alexandros    [ Reply ]
I don't want to hear this very often. Like, once every five years. It's just not that fascinating. Repeated listenings would make my skull throb. Robodrumming and full of angst. 
Posted 10 years ago by kingart    [ Reply ]
 Sakkerju wrote:
The Cure....AGAIN
 
Lighten up, it's their extended version.  
Posted 10 years ago by WannabeBanned    [ Reply ]
Wow, nice segue from: Police - Invisible Sun
Posted 10 years ago by WannabeBanned    [ Reply ]
very nice song!
Posted 11 years ago by helgigermany    [ Reply ]
The Cure....AGAIN
Posted 11 years ago by Sakkerju    [ Reply ]
 Imkirok wrote:

Came here to say the same thing.  Headphones on, volume up!


 
{#High-five}
Posted 11 years ago by JIan    [ Reply ]
 helgigermany wrote:

I would never tell so many things about my private life. Otherwise we could never be able to relate her ideas, when she did not tell us all this things. I miss very much her inspired comments!
 

Yes, I know what you mean...  I hope you are having a very nice time right this minute...

love this song...
 
Posted 11 years ago by Lazarus    [ Reply ]
 Lazarus wrote:


Well said...  we miss you, Cynaera...

love this song...
 
 
I would never tell so many things about my private life. Otherwise we could never be able to relate her ideas, when she did not tell us all this things. I miss very much her inspired comments!
Posted 11 years ago by helgigermany    [ Reply ]
My favorite song to use for Guitar Hero warm-up.
Posted 11 years ago by Derecho    [ Reply ]
 Cynaera wrote:

You continue to make me laugh in delight.  It's Friday, near noon as I type this, and my day has already landed in hell in a very uncomfortable hand-basket. Bro and I were supposed to take four of our cats to the vet for booster shots, but it was like herding drunks - we'd get one in the carrier and when we corralled the second one, the first one would escape. At one point, we almost had three in the carrier, but then one squirmed out and the others followed. We finally called the vet and apologized. We're re-scheduled for tomorrow, but I suspect it'll be more of the same. So - I'm nursing a vodka and tonic with a slice of lemon, and listening to this song with a silly grin on my face (well, that's the only kind of grin I have.)  Here's to three-day weekends, a Zen job, and furry four-footers that may someday make lovely boot-linings. {#Roflol}
 

Well said...  we miss you, Cynaera...

love this song...
 
Posted 11 years ago by Lazarus    [ Reply ]
I've been never heard this song and The Cure. 
Posted 11 years ago by brhr    [ Reply ]
My very favorite Cure song! 
Posted 11 years ago by asilbuch    [ Reply ]
 JIan wrote:
Definitely one of my favorite Cure songs.   {#Clap}
 
Came here to say the same thing.  Headphones on, volume up!

Posted 11 years ago by Imkirok    [ Reply ]
I find the bass line too repetitive (as it is very present in the mix).
Posted 11 years ago by FrnaZ    [ Reply ]
8->9
Posted 11 years ago by Neil66    [ Reply ]
Lovin' this BASS-RIDE; Tame Impala's 'Elephant,' Joe Strummer's 'Get Down Moses,' The Police's 'Invisible Sun,' and now a trip down this seething, urgent 'Fascination Street'...thanks RP for tapping well into THE FOUNDING GROUNDING GROOVE this sunny morn, as I sit back, watch the electrified leaves flutter down to Earth, and try to relish these last gasps of exquisite Indian Summer before some Real Cold rolls back in...
Posted 12 years ago by coloradojohn    [ Reply ]
 JIan wrote:
Definitely one of my favorite Cure songs.   {#Clap}
 
Agree!{#Dancingbanana}
Posted 12 years ago by helgigermany    [ Reply ]
Definitely one of my favorite Cure songs.   {#Clap}
Posted 12 years ago by JIan    [ Reply ]
Freakin' SURREAL, man!  Sometimes this thing just whaps you upside the head; love it!
Posted 12 years ago by coloradojohn    [ Reply ]
thank you, reminded me just how good the Cure are.... (were?)..... no, make that ARE :-)
Posted 12 years ago by suesblues    [ Reply ]
{#Daisy}
Posted 12 years ago by bluecshells    [ Reply ]
Epic.
Posted 12 years ago by linden    [ Reply ]
this song, and most cure songs, really - but especially this one, always makes me think of BCNH from early days of RP.

wherever you are, BCNH, i hope you're well
Posted 12 years ago by lily34    [ Reply ]
 Misterfixit wrote:
If you listen to this track backwards you will cut yourself.
 
It's all about protecting somebody......and to have bandages on hand, anyway

Posted 12 years ago by cohifi    [ Reply ]
makes me wanna spin round tha room
smiling, laughing, just swimming in nostalgia...
lets move to the beat...
{#Sunny} 
Posted 12 years ago by Glencoe_JC    [ Reply ]
I love RP because I — as a 99%er — love 99% of the music.  For me, The Cure is part of the 1 %.{#No}
Posted 12 years ago by Ubaldo    [ Reply ]
If you listen to this track backwards you will cut yourself.
Posted 13 years ago by Misterfixit    [ Reply ]
Killer song from one exceptionally killer album.  Today's playlist is not disappointing so far... :)
Posted 13 years ago by SandwichBoy    [ Reply ]
This song is wonderfully menacing.
Posted 13 years ago by Egrey    [ Reply ]
 Cynaera wrote:

You continue to make me laugh in delight.  It's Friday, near noon as I type this, and my day has already landed in hell in a very uncomfortable hand-basket. Bro and I were supposed to take four of our cats to the vet for booster shots, but it was like herding drunks - we'd get one in the carrier and when we corralled the second one, the first one would escape. At one point, we almost had three in the carrier, but then one squirmed out and the others followed. We finally called the vet and apologized. We're re-scheduled for tomorrow, but I suspect it'll be more of the same. So - I'm nursing a vodka and tonic with a slice of lemon, and listening to this song with a silly grin on my face (well, that's the only kind of grin I have.)  Here's to three-day weekends, a Zen job, and furry four-footers that may someday make lovely boot-linings. {#Roflol}
 

You interrupted their carefully orchestrated plan to seize control of the world. From their baskets. In their sleep. You will pay for your rudeness, human. 

PS: what is the frequency, Kenneth? 
 hippiechick wrote:
I still remember the first time I heard this song, my first Cure song, and how it gave me the chills.
  

It's one of their best. Love the koto or the instrument that sounds like a koto. How do you figure out that a trippy goth song just has to have a fucking koto?
Posted 13 years ago by kcar    [ Reply ]
The bass and drums are working well together
Posted 13 years ago by 1wolfy    [ Reply ]
 fredriley wrote:
There are times when I curse Radio Paradise, especially on Friday evenings. I should be leaving work and heading down the boozer, but RP keeps playing such ripper songs that I can't bear to take the phones off. For the last hour I don't think that there's been a single sub-6 song, and that's an hour's less drinking time and an hour's more work I've done. Come on, RP, have some mercy - play a sucko-barfo so's I can escape the office!
 
You continue to make me laugh in delight.  It's Friday, near noon as I type this, and my day has already landed in hell in a very uncomfortable hand-basket. Bro and I were supposed to take four of our cats to the vet for booster shots, but it was like herding drunks - we'd get one in the carrier and when we corralled the second one, the first one would escape. At one point, we almost had three in the carrier, but then one squirmed out and the others followed. We finally called the vet and apologized. We're re-scheduled for tomorrow, but I suspect it'll be more of the same. So - I'm nursing a vodka and tonic with a slice of lemon, and listening to this song with a silly grin on my face (well, that's the only kind of grin I have.)  Here's to three-day weekends, a Zen job, and furry four-footers that may someday make lovely boot-linings. {#Roflol}
Posted 13 years ago by Cynaera    [ Reply ]
 justsomeone wrote:
Great song from a truly great album. I'll give it 8  

A few songs from the album are better imo, though.
"The Same Deep Water as You" (apparently never played on RP) stands out.

 

Spot on assessment!{#Cheers}
Posted 13 years ago by sirdroseph    [ Reply ]
Timeless stuff...
Posted 13 years ago by linzie    [ Reply ]
funny how tastes change over time - I clicked the song title to give a 7 and found that I actually had rated it as a 3.
Posted 13 years ago by dead_flowers    [ Reply ]
 Glencoe_JC wrote:
some tracks unlock time worm holes in your lifeline
this is one of them for me
just...takes me to an 'era'

haunting hooks
{#Clap}
 
Right there with you...the summer of 89 was just after I graduated from high school and this album and song particularly was in the background for a lot of what went on that year....good times.

Posted 13 years ago by sbegf    [ Reply ]
I still remember the first time I heard this song, my first Cure song, and how it gave me the chills.
Posted 13 years ago by hippiechick    [ Reply ]
Nice!
Posted 13 years ago by helgigermany    [ Reply ]
I think what I love about this is the drums - that double-beat in the bar... But then, there's that wailing guitar, and the vocals, and the urgency and passion and.... Oh, darn it - bumping it from 9 to 10.  It should go on longer and fade out, though...
Posted 13 years ago by Cynaera    [ Reply ]
what a great song - one of the best. and this after sour times! Almost too much! Thanx!!!
Posted 13 years ago by mrdomula    [ Reply ]
 jhorton wrote:
Looking back now, I think these guys wrote more great songs than anyone in the eighties. Songs that really stand the test of time.
 

 horstman wrote:

Close tie with Depeche Mode

 
I'd probably include Terry Hall, The Smiths, Psychedelic Furs, and The Replacements as well, but I guess that's just me.


Posted 13 years ago by Proclivities    [ Reply ]
There are times when I curse Radio Paradise, especially on Friday evenings. I should be leaving work and heading down the boozer, but RP keeps playing such ripper songs that I can't bear to take the phones off. For the last hour I don't think that there's been a single sub-6 song, and that's an hour's less drinking time and an hour's more work I've done. Come on, RP, have some mercy - play a sucko-barfo so's I can escape the office!
Posted 13 years ago by fredriley    [ Reply ]
Nice!
Posted 13 years ago by paulcunnington    [ Reply ]
 countyman wrote:

Great background music for a party.

and can someone explain why my audio is four songs behind the playlist?helgigermany wrote:

Sometimes i have that too, bur dont know why!

 
DON'T EVER MUTE a song!  Just lower the volume.  I found that when I muted travesties like say, something by Barenaked Ladies, I'd forget about it and then unmute 20 minutes later only to have to listen to the rest of the song I didn't want to hear in the first place because the audio program, or the station only pauses.  But then later, when I'm listening to some really neat old chestnut that hardly ever gets played, like Itchykoo Park, suddenly, the station skips over it to the next song.  Your problem could be something else entirely, but I just thought I'd warn everyone.

Great set, by the way.  Too bad I have to go to a meeting!

Posted 13 years ago by kaybee    [ Reply ]
Good song but I prefer their earlier stuff
Posted 13 years ago by mmoyer    [ Reply ]
one of the best of the cure! like so much.. so much 
Posted 14 years ago by t00lur    [ Reply ]
Is it my imagination or is Bill playing a lot of the Cure at the moment? No complaints. Just an observation.
Posted 14 years ago by planet_lizard    [ Reply ]
Great song from a truly great album. I'll give it 8  

A few songs from the album are better imo, though.
"The Same Deep Water as You" (apparently never played on RP) stands out.

Posted 14 years ago by justsomeone    [ Reply ]
some tracks unlock time worm holes in your lifeline
this is one of them for me
just...takes me to an 'era'

haunting hooks
{#Clap}
Posted 14 years ago by Glencoe_JC    [ Reply ]
 countyman wrote:
Great background music for a party.

and can someone explain why my audio is four songs behind the playlist?
 
Sometimes i have that too, bur dont know why!

Posted 14 years ago by helgigermany    [ Reply ]
Great background music for a party.

and can someone explain why my audio is four songs behind the playlist?


Posted 14 years ago by countyman    [ Reply ]
This is SO "Crow."  I love it. Not a huge fan of The Cure, but this song is rather awesome. Once I get a device, I'ma load it.
Posted 14 years ago by Cynaera    [ Reply ]
 WayUpNorth wrote:
separated at birth
 

{#Roflol}I have always thought their getup and stuff is quite silly and adolescent, but they did have some great tunes and this is one is amongst the best!{#Clap}
Posted 14 years ago by sirdroseph    [ Reply ]
The best of what it is !!! ?? ....
Posted 14 years ago by ddbz    [ Reply ]
I hear this track much too often on RP....
Posted 14 years ago by FluorideFreeMN    [ Reply ]
separated at birth
Posted 14 years ago by WayUpNorth    [ Reply ]
 to_the_eleven wrote:
I'll give there first couple of minutes a 7.5.  Guitar and bass.   Then that clown starts whining about his pout and it drops to a 3.
 
Agreed.

Posted 14 years ago by PerchTwirl    [ Reply ]
Been listening to this CD for the last few days in my car. I absolutely love this song. One of The Cure's best.
Posted 14 years ago by Danimal174    [ Reply ]
Simply. Awesome.


Posted 14 years ago by Bosami    [ Reply ]
This is very nice, indeed!

Posted 15 years ago by helgigermany    [ Reply ]
 le_colonel wrote:

Even as a *huge* fan of the Cure, I have to agree that Robert Smith's insisting upon retaining the same look he sported 20 years ago (hair, make-up, clothes) detracts from the band's music and probably doesn't help attract new listeners.

By the way, "A Forest" was on their second album, Seventeen Seconds. Their debut LP was called Three Imaginary Boys/Boys Don't Cry.

 
I saw the Cure in about 1988 or 87 and Robert had cut his hair very short. A LOT of people cried about it for some reason.

Posted 15 years ago by ScottFromWyoming    [ Reply ]
Great segue from "Invisible Sun"
Posted 15 years ago by kaybee    [ Reply ]
a 10 no question!
Posted 15 years ago by cadaver68    [ Reply ]
 Dinges,_the_Dude wrote:
Always have ambivalent feelings about The Cure. I'm not very familiar with their music, but their first album,  the one with "a forest" etc, is a very good one.
Surprisingly, after all these years they try to still look the same as back in the '80's, which makes the performance in my opinion rather a caricature!
 
Even as a *huge* fan of the Cure, I have to agree that Robert Smith's insisting upon retaining the same look he sported 20 years ago (hair, make-up, clothes) detracts from the band's music and probably doesn't help attract new listeners.

By the way, "A Forest" was on their second album, Seventeen Seconds. Their debut LP was called Three Imaginary Boys/Boys Don't Cry.

Posted 15 years ago by le_colonel    [ Reply ]
I'll give there first couple of minutes a 7.5.  Guitar and bass.   Then that clown starts whining about his pout and it drops to a 3.
Posted 15 years ago by to_the_eleven    [ Reply ]
Rockin choice...Unexpected as usual.
Posted 15 years ago by derekd    [ Reply ]
Always have ambivalent feelings about The Cure. I'm not very familiar with their music, but their first album,  the one with "a forest" etc, is a very good one.
Surprisingly, after all these years they try to still look the same as back in the '80's, which makes the performance in my opinion rather a caricature!
Posted 15 years ago by Dinges,_the_Dude    [ Reply ]
 horstman wrote:
Close tie with Depeche Mode
 
For sure here - normally I don't hear the connection {#Ask}
Posted 15 years ago by lmic    [ Reply ]
{#Bananajam}
Posted 15 years ago by sirrus    [ Reply ]
 stewliscious wrote:
Thanks.  I see you are an architect - the Cure was in heavy rotation in studio when i was in architecture school mid-late 80's.  I didn't appreciate them as much then.
 
Great music for late nights in the studio.  Glad you've come around!

Posted 15 years ago by diazo    [ Reply ]
OH SNAP!! I haven't heard this for a very long time. Takes me way back. Thanks PR! Awesome song, a solid 10. {#Dancingbanana_2}
Posted 15 years ago by frankp74    [ Reply ]
 jhorton wrote:
Looking back now, I think these guys wrote more great songs than anyone in the eighties. Songs that really stand the test of time.
 
Close tie with Depeche Mode

Posted 16 years ago by horstman    [ Reply ]
Looking back now, I think these guys wrote more great songs than anyone in the eighties. Songs that really stand the test of time.
Posted 16 years ago by jhorton    [ Reply ]