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On your record player
Floatin' about in the dust
You sing the joys baby
I'll be down when you're free from the rust
Take your pick who's your savior
Come in five different flavors
Tell me I'm sweeter than your broken leader
I'll take the smooth with the rough
I see you lying there
Put him down no reply in the sand, in the mud.
Don't kick it I wanna keep it
Don't feel it I wanna drive
In the sunshine of my life
In the sunshine of your life
Can you feel it when it's right?
Can you feel it in your soul
Can you feel what's goin' on?
Yeah! Right
Don't kick it I wanna freeze it
Don't feel it I wanna drive
It's the sunshine of my life
It's the sunshine of my life
Can you feel it when it's right?
Look it comes
And when it flows like your country song
What's going on Going on Going on
I like other Charltans tunes, but taking the Floyd riff is lame.
Not so sure about that, I liked it in the song. It was a nice addition.
As I belive ColoradoJohn pointed out. The PF Fearless riff IS a HOMAGE to them - not a "rip off" everyone. Chill out, relax, and enjoy the tune. :)
I like to refer to this sort of usage (a little too overt to be "homage") as a "quote." A great many excellent modern songs have quoted from the classics.
Please everyone - continue to point out that the riff isn't an original! Your posts are so entertaining, and your disdain is so exhilarating and refreshing! I feel like I haven't read good music criticism until I saw this thread! I am just so glad you all took your valuable time to write such introspective and original posts! I feel like I just read Shakespeare for the first time! I am so excited that I can't stop using exclamation points!
I do see some plagiarism in the 'riff pointing out' posts. It really bothers me when people point out ripped off riffs when their complaint is a rip off of someone else's disdain in riff swiping swiping posts.
As I belive ColoradoJohn pointed out. The PF Fearless riff IS a HOMAGE to them - not a "rip off" everyone. Chill out, relax, and enjoy the tune. :)
Exactly!!!!
Not like any other band hasn't borrowed anything before this!!!
If you call it a tribute your soul will shine much brighter.
1. they stole the name of an incredible creative underappreciated 60s band
2. they stole the Fearless riff off Pink Floyds Meddle!
was not a rip-off, it was a powerful homage to PF, and being Fearless, and both amazing groups have been and continue to be real, honest soul-savers to me! The song also has lines from other soul-savers: "In the sunshine of your...", "What's goin' on". Art is ART; let's JAM!
I'll bet the Fearless ripoff was not intentional. It is musically near exact, but it's not a complicated phrase (super simple actually) and every now and then two different guitarists will come up the same riff. There are only 12 notes LOL
I think probably it was intentional because there were quite a few other obvious 'homages' on the same album - nine acre court. I like that album - they copied all the right stuff.
I'll bet the Fearless ripoff was not intentional. It is musically near exact, but it's not a complicated phrase (super simple actually) and every now and then two different guitarists will come up the same riff. There are only 12 notes LOL
Ripped off a Pink Floyd riff there.... :(
Why is it a rip off? they played it , it sounded cool.
Since Bill often follows it up with Cymbaline by PF, its clear Bill is doing his "cover version/different song by original" narrative here, which works very well as a segue tool.
Ripped off a Pink Floyd riff there.... :(
Really, does anyone own a riff?
When the world collapses, and cities wash into the sea, and great volcanoes destroy the mountains and the Earth is swamped by lava and turns to rock, and the solar system drifts toward a black hole and is ripped apart, and the galaxies all spread apart and every atom in the Universe is torn to shreds and ceases to exist, the RP community will still point out the riff was stolen from Pink Floyd.
If Bill doesn't give mild commentary on this comment? Well...
When the world collapses, and cities wash into the sea, and great volcanoes destroy the mountains and the Earth is swamped by lava and turns to rock, and the solar system drifts toward a black hole and is ripped apart, and the galaxies all spread apart and every atom in the Universe is torn to shreds and ceases to exist, the RP community will still point out the riff was stolen from Pink Floyd.
Because we're old, we've listened to too much music, and we're not going to take it any more!!
And as Bill is playing Fat Old Sun after it, I suspect he agrees.
When the world collapses, and cities wash into the sea, and great volcanoes destroy the mountains and the Earth is swamped by lava and turns to rock, and the solar system drifts toward a black hole and is ripped apart, and the galaxies all spread apart and every atom in the Universe is torn to shreds and ceases to exist, the RP community will still point out the riff was stolen from Pink Floyd.
Well, look up the definition of "charlatan"....
Well they are The Charlatans.
(ignoring the whole Oasis sound...)
So, naturally Bill segues to Fat Old Sun.
Well played sir. Well played.
If using a short sequence of notes with a specific chord structure is plagiarism, there must be thousands of "actionable" cases. I suggest giving this issue a rest. Of course, nearly everyone who hears this tune recognize that this is an homage to Fearless. How do you see this as a "ripoff"? This point is so tired, by now.
Does PF et al get royalties from it?
I think it's really a nod/homage to PF not a rip off. These guys don't "need" that at all to succeed.
and this was the very second comment ever 13 years back..... let's all move on.
Myself included
But isn't that kinda cool too? One of two things must be true. Either the elders among us (myself included) still have some functioning memory, or our collective consciousnees spans more than one generation.
Howard Lee wrote:
The attorneys don't bother with small potatoes. This band doesn't make enough money.
The Verve are arguably a one-hit wonder with Bittersweet Symphony. And yet all the royalties did once to The Rolling Stones (among others)?
salt
noticed that as well
The attorneys don't bother with small potatoes. This band doesn't make enough money.
it throws me for a loop every time. But they are called the charlatans.
That's a secondhand story, so I probably have a few aspects wrong, but it makes me giggle anyway.
That made me laugh out loud. I would have loved to see Billy getting bent out of shape that his masterpieces were being subtly undermined.
michaelmuller wrote:
blotto wrote:
hosayf wrote:
Yep
SAME HERE -- really close to identical
I heard that right away, too...
Yep
I heard that right away, too...
More like lame ripoff
blotto wrote:
hosayf wrote:
hosayf wrote:
Helped themselves to some old Pink Floyd. Was credit given where due?
That's a secondhand story, so I probably have a few aspects wrong, but it makes me giggle anyway.
and this was the very second comment ever 13 years back..... let's all move on.
Myself included
That comment is 11 years old and people are still acting like they came up with the connection just now......
This may seem crazy, but no one else noticed. It reminds me of that song by Mumford & Sons too.
yup, they borrowed that riff from Fearless (Meddle album)
I think that's intended. I like how they've peppered the whole song with musical references. Nice Medley
Yes, clearly pumped from Pink FLoyd !!! But without talent.
I hate those kind of thiefs.
100% Agreed!!!
No respect for such low class stealing.
Yes, clearly pumped from Pink FLoyd !!! But without talent.
I hate those kind of thiefs.
..... Fearless ... On the Meddle album.
Then we discard "Ain't Seen Nothing Yet" and "Baba O'Reilly" because they liberally lift Sweet Jane.
Funny... I never sensed a connection between those two songs and Sweet Jane.
Can you feel it when it's right?
I.e. a song should not be 'savaged' just because it borrows a riff, if that riff works well in the new context.
Nevertheless, I would hope that The Charlatans give credit where credit is due.
Then we discard "Ain't Seen Nothing Yet" and "Baba O'Reilly" because they liberally lift Sweet Jane.
But no problem.. I like when a song quotes other music/inspiration.
Needs to be moved up again.
It's not true. "You'll never walk alone" was composed in 1945 for a Broadway musical called "Carousel".
I.e. a song should not be 'savaged' just because it borrows a riff, if that riff works well in the new context.
Nevertheless, I would hope that The Charlatans give credit where credit is due.
Agreed. That Pink Floyd song has an excerpt of Rodgers and Hammerstein's "You'll Never Walk Alone", sung by Liverpool Football Club's supporters at a match. Should we knock Floyd and the LFC fans for riffing on Rodgers and Hammerstein?
Well done.
Thanks!
Ditto! (Como ya se ha dicho ;-))
They are the "Charlatans" after all
If you could follow up with the riff from "Another Brick in the Wall" and work the baseline from "Money" in there somehow I bet you could make a few heads literally explode . . .
I'm sorry, but I wrote that riff and I take these things very personally. Cheers. — R. Waters
howseabout I just bump your post instead!!!! How do ya like THEM apples!