The Smiths — Cemetry Gates
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A dreaded sunny day
So I meet you at the cemetry gates
Keats and Yeats are on your side
A dreaded sunny day
So I meet you at the cemetry gates
Keats and Yeats are on your side
While Wilde is on mine
So we go inside and we gravely read the stones
All those people, all those lives
Where are they now?
With loves and hates
And passions just like mine
They were born
And then they lived
And then they died
Seems so unfair
I want to cry
You say: "Ere thrice the sun hath done
salutation to the dawn"
And you claim these words as your own
But I've read well and I've heard them said
A hundred times (maybe less, maybe more)
If you must write prose or poems
The words you use should be your own
Don't plagiarise or take 'on loan'
There's always someone, somewhere
With a big nose who knows
And who trips you up and laughs
When you fall
Who'll trip you up and laugh
When you fall
You say: "Ere long done do does did"
Words which could only be your own
And then produce the text
From whence was ripped
'Some dizzy whore', 1804
A dreaded sunny day
So let's go where we're happy
And I meet you at the cemetry gates
Oh Keats and Yeats are on your side
A dreaded sunny day
So let's go where we're wanted
And I meet you at the cemetry gates
Keats and Yeats are on your side
But you lose
'Cause weird lover Wilde is on mine
So I meet you at the cemetry gates
Keats and Yeats are on your side
A dreaded sunny day
So I meet you at the cemetry gates
Keats and Yeats are on your side
While Wilde is on mine
So we go inside and we gravely read the stones
All those people, all those lives
Where are they now?
With loves and hates
And passions just like mine
They were born
And then they lived
And then they died
Seems so unfair
I want to cry
You say: "Ere thrice the sun hath done
salutation to the dawn"
And you claim these words as your own
But I've read well and I've heard them said
A hundred times (maybe less, maybe more)
If you must write prose or poems
The words you use should be your own
Don't plagiarise or take 'on loan'
There's always someone, somewhere
With a big nose who knows
And who trips you up and laughs
When you fall
Who'll trip you up and laugh
When you fall
You say: "Ere long done do does did"
Words which could only be your own
And then produce the text
From whence was ripped
'Some dizzy whore', 1804
A dreaded sunny day
So let's go where we're happy
And I meet you at the cemetry gates
Oh Keats and Yeats are on your side
A dreaded sunny day
So let's go where we're wanted
And I meet you at the cemetry gates
Keats and Yeats are on your side
But you lose
'Cause weird lover Wilde is on mine
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Still love it, but sounds so pretentious these days.
The smiths are a great group in spite if morrisy
You guys all talking about Morrissey are completley missing all of Johnny Marr's genius little guitar riffs here!
Can't take the monotonous voice. 1
itsme_bygolly wrote:
Morrissey has opinions. Lucky for me, I didn't sign up to the newsletter, and simply listen to the music.
I Agree, same here!! Great music, creepy guy!!
Morrissey has opinions. Lucky for me, I didn't sign up to the newsletter, and simply listen to the music.
I Agree, same here!! Great music, creepy guy!!
Jakethemuss wrote:
I think he's always been a dodgy twit. His band was always really good though!
Shame about his surprising and tasteless change of political outlook. Still a 9 though for old times sake.
I think he's always been a dodgy twit. His band was always really good though!
Jakethemuss wrote:
Morrissey has opinions. Lucky for me, I didn't sign up to the newsletter, and simply listen to the music.
Shame about his surprising and tasteless change of political outlook. Still a 9 though for old times sake.
Morrissey has opinions. Lucky for me, I didn't sign up to the newsletter, and simply listen to the music.
35 years later, still sitting around listening to The Smiths "The Queen Is Dead." Not much feels different. A time warp of not much of any one thing but everything. Whaterville. 
The original Emo band
BitMo_Bruce wrote:
Too bad! ...he has an odd voice, but it works for "The Smiths"!
I cannot stomach Morrissey's voice. I can easily imitate it but why would I?
Too bad! ...he has an odd voice, but it works for "The Smiths"!
High Quality.
Jakethemuss wrote:
I totally agree!
It's strange how people of "diverse tastes" could discriminate over others.
Shame about his surprising and tasteless change of political outlook. Still a 9 though for old times sake.
I totally agree!
It's strange how people of "diverse tastes" could discriminate over others.
Shame about his surprising and tasteless change of political outlook. Still a 9 though for old times sake.
BitMo_Bruce wrote:
I agree! I feel like yelling shut up and quite your whining!
I cannot stomach Morrissey's voice. I can easily imitate it but why would I?
I agree! I feel like yelling shut up and quite your whining!
Smiths are great. Mozzer is great. This song is great. 
BitMo_Bruce wrote:
I've heard he's very fond of your voice...
I cannot stomach Morrissey's voice. I can easily imitate it but why would I?
I've heard he's very fond of your voice...
I cannot stomach Morrissey's voice. I can easily imitate it but why would I?
Given to impulsiveness, still, I gave Cemetery Gates (Cemetry? Huh? Just so Morrissey to spell it like that) a 10. Bumped it down to a 9 for neglecting my personal fave, PBS. Do as I say; not as I do: Never read the lyrics! Especially on a The Smiths song.
Yes Sir!
Marvelous....
Love Smiths. Hate Morrissey.
Jota wrote:
This guy would disagree with your post . . . if he could read.
Legends! None of the brain dead, generic rubbish that passes for music like country.
This guy would disagree with your post . . . if he could read.
Morrisey/The Smiths are fantastic imo
Jota wrote:
Legends! None of the brain dead, generic rubbish that passes for music like country.
No feeling for his voice nor for the right tone, terrible the way he sings
Does this qualify as a happy song from The Smiths?
chocolatetruffle wrote:
That's not very sweet Chocolatetruffle?!
(I also happen to completely disagree)
"Sucko-Barfo". Too good for them!
That's not very sweet Chocolatetruffle?!
(I also happen to completely disagree)Legends! None of the brain dead, generic rubbish that passes for music like country.
"Sucko-Barfo". Too good for them!
My favorite movie scene is in Dead Poets Society... Robin Williams has each student rip out the page of the poetry text book that talked about " Theory"
If only all academics would follow suit
If only all academics would follow suit
DigitalJer wrote:
All cred to DrLex:
I think expecting Radio Paradise to have a playlist of 8 billion songs, or even 8 million songs, is quite a bit of lack of perspective. Do you ever come out in the real world? Even in my country where FM radio doesn't suck as hard as in the US, you'll hear the same song multiple times a day unless you'd go working, shopping and dining while wearing industrial ear protection. Because you seem to like numbers, here's some mathematics. Suppose a station has a playlist of 10000 songs. I have no idea how many songs the active playlist of RP has, but this seems reasonable, especially in the light of the following assumption. Suppose this station is run by DJ Random, who gives every song a number between 1 to 10000 and uses a perfect random number generator to pick the next song. Suppose you listen to 120 songs this way (at an average of 4 minutes per song, that would take 8 hours). The birthday paradox says that in this case (see simulation below), there's a 50% chance that you'll hear the same song twice in this time span!
For a playlist of 50000 songs, the 50% chance of repetition is already reached at approx. 250 picks, not the expected 600. Of course, while many radio streams work this way, on RP this is not how it's done — luckily. First of all, Bill avoids the horrible transitions that DJ Random would produce, by combining songs that actually belong together. This reduces the amount of randomness, but of course Bill has a memory and will try to avoid repeating the same song often. To minimize repetition, he would need to create an ideal sequence of all songs once, and repeat this eternally. But that would become boring too, so as a compromise and to keep managing RP tractable, Bill recycles 'stretches' of playlist, slowly mutating them and discarding them after a while. And Bill is only human, so he'll play the songs that he likes a little bit more often than others. I wasted some of my time telling this story to show that things can be a whole lot worse, and I believe RP comes damn close to an ideal radio station. You just have to accept the fact that ideality doesn't exist and that some of the songs you don't like will be played, and repeated after a while.
My favorite local terrestial station only plays new releases and has a light, medium and heavy rotation where songs will spend 2 weeks or so in each cycle and then be discarded never to be heard from again. This guarantees that you will only hear a particular song multiple times a day for a two week period max, then you will hear it once every 2 days or so and then maybe once every 3 or 4 days and then poof gone! Another of my favorite online radio stations plays literally anything from any time period at any time as long as it was never in the top 40. Their library is seemingly endless and you will never hear the same song twice in the same day.
RP is a great station, not trying to denigrate it at all. I think that it is the best adult contemporary online station in the world hands down, I am just saying there are radio stations that have a lot less redundancy than you seem to think possible, I know, I listen to them.
All cred to DrLex:
I think expecting Radio Paradise to have a playlist of 8 billion songs, or even 8 million songs, is quite a bit of lack of perspective. Do you ever come out in the real world? Even in my country where FM radio doesn't suck as hard as in the US, you'll hear the same song multiple times a day unless you'd go working, shopping and dining while wearing industrial ear protection. Because you seem to like numbers, here's some mathematics. Suppose a station has a playlist of 10000 songs. I have no idea how many songs the active playlist of RP has, but this seems reasonable, especially in the light of the following assumption. Suppose this station is run by DJ Random, who gives every song a number between 1 to 10000 and uses a perfect random number generator to pick the next song. Suppose you listen to 120 songs this way (at an average of 4 minutes per song, that would take 8 hours). The birthday paradox says that in this case (see simulation below), there's a 50% chance that you'll hear the same song twice in this time span!
For a playlist of 50000 songs, the 50% chance of repetition is already reached at approx. 250 picks, not the expected 600. Of course, while many radio streams work this way, on RP this is not how it's done — luckily. First of all, Bill avoids the horrible transitions that DJ Random would produce, by combining songs that actually belong together. This reduces the amount of randomness, but of course Bill has a memory and will try to avoid repeating the same song often. To minimize repetition, he would need to create an ideal sequence of all songs once, and repeat this eternally. But that would become boring too, so as a compromise and to keep managing RP tractable, Bill recycles 'stretches' of playlist, slowly mutating them and discarding them after a while. And Bill is only human, so he'll play the songs that he likes a little bit more often than others. I wasted some of my time telling this story to show that things can be a whole lot worse, and I believe RP comes damn close to an ideal radio station. You just have to accept the fact that ideality doesn't exist and that some of the songs you don't like will be played, and repeated after a while.
My favorite local terrestial station only plays new releases and has a light, medium and heavy rotation where songs will spend 2 weeks or so in each cycle and then be discarded never to be heard from again. This guarantees that you will only hear a particular song multiple times a day for a two week period max, then you will hear it once every 2 days or so and then maybe once every 3 or 4 days and then poof gone! Another of my favorite online radio stations plays literally anything from any time period at any time as long as it was never in the top 40. Their library is seemingly endless and you will never hear the same song twice in the same day.
RP is a great station, not trying to denigrate it at all. I think that it is the best adult contemporary online station in the world hands down, I am just saying there are radio stations that have a lot less redundancy than you seem to think possible, I know, I listen to them.
Love these guys - love the lyrics on all the songs and the titles "Vicar in a Tutu", "Big Mouth Strikes Back"....too bad they aren't together anymore. Morrisey had some pretty ok solo stuff though.
Come on Moz and Johnny sort it out boys - you were both awesome doing Smiths songs solo but surely you could get together for 1 tour as the Smiths. I am willing to beg if it will help.
Another Smiths song that runs the emotional (and musical) gamut from A to C ...
Okay, I am changing the station now knowing full well that music taste is subjective.
Everybody in my church be dancing to this marvelous song... love it...
Drone.....Drone...... Drone....
Ok, wow, sounded like the BNL lead singer (being played on RP!? no way!) love them - had to check - ah, the Smiths
Pretty good Smiths tune. Just not in the mood for it right now I guess. Meet you at the symmetry gates.
warderblu wrote:
This is so Mint!
This is so Mint!
Love the Smiths. Any song with Keats and Yates in it rates in my book.
clever music, love the smiths
While Wilde is on mine.
Perfect jingle jangle pop by the greatest band/songwriting pair of the past 30 years.
Before you start arguing, remember there's always someone, somewhere with a big nose who knows. In this instance, it's me.
Perfect jingle jangle pop by the greatest band/songwriting pair of the past 30 years.
Before you start arguing, remember there's always someone, somewhere with a big nose who knows. In this instance, it's me.
Great song! The Smiths at their retro Brit Indie best!
I highly doubt that Yates is on my side. He was Illuminati. -_-
daedalus wrote:
Embarrassing to whom? Maybe you've spent too much time in that labyrinth of yours.
The Smiths were musically great and vocally embarrassing.
Embarrassing to whom? Maybe you've spent too much time in that labyrinth of yours.
Dude should sing on Broadway
crockydile wrote:
Automatic 2 for a song with him singing.
I wouldn't be that generous. crockydile wrote:
lol
Automatic 2 for a song with him singing.
lol
Automatic 2 for a song with him singing.
DigitalJer wrote:
All cred to DrLex:
I think expecting Radio Paradise to have a playlist of 8 billion songs, or even 8 million songs, is quite a bit of lack of perspective. Do you ever come out in the real world? Even in my country where FM radio doesn't suck as hard as in the US, you'll hear the same song multiple times a day unless you'd go working, shopping and dining while wearing industrial ear protection. Because you seem to like numbers, here's some mathematics. Suppose a station has a playlist of 10000 songs. I have no idea how many songs the active playlist of RP has, but this seems reasonable, especially in the light of the following assumption. Suppose this station is run by DJ Random, who gives every song a number between 1 to 10000 and uses a perfect random number generator to pick the next song. Suppose you listen to 120 songs this way (at an average of 4 minutes per song, that would take 8 hours). The birthday paradox says that in this case (see simulation below), there's a 50% chance that you'll hear the same song twice in this time span!
For a playlist of 50000 songs, the 50% chance of repetition is already reached at approx. 250 picks, not the expected 600. Of course, while many radio streams work this way, on RP this is not how it's done — luckily. First of all, Bill avoids the horrible transitions that DJ Random would produce, by combining songs that actually belong together. This reduces the amount of randomness, but of course Bill has a memory and will try to avoid repeating the same song often. To minimize repetition, he would need to create an ideal sequence of all songs once, and repeat this eternally. But that would become boring too, so as a compromise and to keep managing RP tractable, Bill recycles 'stretches' of playlist, slowly mutating them and discarding them after a while. And Bill is only human, so he'll play the songs that he likes a little bit more often than others. I wasted some of my time telling this story to show that things can be a whole lot worse, and I believe RP comes damn close to an ideal radio station. You just have to accept the fact that ideality doesn't exist and that some of the songs you don't like will be played, and repeated after a while.
Awesome (and impressive) breakdown.
All cred to DrLex:
I think expecting Radio Paradise to have a playlist of 8 billion songs, or even 8 million songs, is quite a bit of lack of perspective. Do you ever come out in the real world? Even in my country where FM radio doesn't suck as hard as in the US, you'll hear the same song multiple times a day unless you'd go working, shopping and dining while wearing industrial ear protection. Because you seem to like numbers, here's some mathematics. Suppose a station has a playlist of 10000 songs. I have no idea how many songs the active playlist of RP has, but this seems reasonable, especially in the light of the following assumption. Suppose this station is run by DJ Random, who gives every song a number between 1 to 10000 and uses a perfect random number generator to pick the next song. Suppose you listen to 120 songs this way (at an average of 4 minutes per song, that would take 8 hours). The birthday paradox says that in this case (see simulation below), there's a 50% chance that you'll hear the same song twice in this time span!
For a playlist of 50000 songs, the 50% chance of repetition is already reached at approx. 250 picks, not the expected 600. Of course, while many radio streams work this way, on RP this is not how it's done — luckily. First of all, Bill avoids the horrible transitions that DJ Random would produce, by combining songs that actually belong together. This reduces the amount of randomness, but of course Bill has a memory and will try to avoid repeating the same song often. To minimize repetition, he would need to create an ideal sequence of all songs once, and repeat this eternally. But that would become boring too, so as a compromise and to keep managing RP tractable, Bill recycles 'stretches' of playlist, slowly mutating them and discarding them after a while. And Bill is only human, so he'll play the songs that he likes a little bit more often than others. I wasted some of my time telling this story to show that things can be a whole lot worse, and I believe RP comes damn close to an ideal radio station. You just have to accept the fact that ideality doesn't exist and that some of the songs you don't like will be played, and repeated after a while.
Awesome (and impressive) breakdown.
Sometimes Morrissey can be a bit of a dreary drawers, but the lyrics are often quite funny, like these:
If you must write prose/poems
The words you use should be your own
Don't plagiarise or take "on loan"
'Cause there's always someone, somewhere
With a big nose, who knows
And who trips you up and laughs
When you fall
Who'll trip you up and laugh
When you fall
You say : "'Ere long done do does did"
Words which could only be your own
And then produce the text
From whence was ripped
(Some dizzy whore, 1804)
If you must write prose/poems
The words you use should be your own
Don't plagiarise or take "on loan"
'Cause there's always someone, somewhere
With a big nose, who knows
And who trips you up and laughs
When you fall
Who'll trip you up and laugh
When you fall
You say : "'Ere long done do does did"
Words which could only be your own
And then produce the text
From whence was ripped
(Some dizzy whore, 1804)
DigitalJer wrote:
All cred to DrLex:
(pedantic probability explanation omitted)
...Bill has a memory and will try to avoid repeating the same song often....
He also tries to avoid repeating the same artist often. You know, like Morrissey twice in four hours. Hence my message.
All cred to DrLex:
(pedantic probability explanation omitted)
...Bill has a memory and will try to avoid repeating the same song often....
He also tries to avoid repeating the same artist often. You know, like Morrissey twice in four hours. Hence my message.
nate917 wrote:
All cred to DrLex:
I think expecting Radio Paradise to have a playlist of 8 billion songs, or even 8 million songs, is quite a bit of lack of perspective. Do you ever come out in the real world? Even in my country where FM radio doesn't suck as hard as in the US, you'll hear the same song multiple times a day unless you'd go working, shopping and dining while wearing industrial ear protection. Because you seem to like numbers, here's some mathematics. Suppose a station has a playlist of 10000 songs. I have no idea how many songs the active playlist of RP has, but this seems reasonable, especially in the light of the following assumption. Suppose this station is run by DJ Random, who gives every song a number between 1 to 10000 and uses a perfect random number generator to pick the next song. Suppose you listen to 120 songs this way (at an average of 4 minutes per song, that would take 8 hours). The birthday paradox says that in this case (see simulation below), there's a 50% chance that you'll hear the same song twice in this time span!
For a playlist of 50000 songs, the 50% chance of repetition is already reached at approx. 250 picks, not the expected 600. Of course, while many radio streams work this way, on RP this is not how it's done — luckily. First of all, Bill avoids the horrible transitions that DJ Random would produce, by combining songs that actually belong together. This reduces the amount of randomness, but of course Bill has a memory and will try to avoid repeating the same song often. To minimize repetition, he would need to create an ideal sequence of all songs once, and repeat this eternally. But that would become boring too, so as a compromise and to keep managing RP tractable, Bill recycles 'stretches' of playlist, slowly mutating them and discarding them after a while. And Bill is only human, so he'll play the songs that he likes a little bit more often than others. I wasted some of my time telling this story to show that things can be a whole lot worse, and I believe RP comes damn close to an ideal radio station. You just have to accept the fact that ideality doesn't exist and that some of the songs you don't like will be played, and repeated after a while.
We just heard Smiths four hours ago. I guess it's Drama Queen Day in Paradise.
All cred to DrLex:
I think expecting Radio Paradise to have a playlist of 8 billion songs, or even 8 million songs, is quite a bit of lack of perspective. Do you ever come out in the real world? Even in my country where FM radio doesn't suck as hard as in the US, you'll hear the same song multiple times a day unless you'd go working, shopping and dining while wearing industrial ear protection. Because you seem to like numbers, here's some mathematics. Suppose a station has a playlist of 10000 songs. I have no idea how many songs the active playlist of RP has, but this seems reasonable, especially in the light of the following assumption. Suppose this station is run by DJ Random, who gives every song a number between 1 to 10000 and uses a perfect random number generator to pick the next song. Suppose you listen to 120 songs this way (at an average of 4 minutes per song, that would take 8 hours). The birthday paradox says that in this case (see simulation below), there's a 50% chance that you'll hear the same song twice in this time span!
For a playlist of 50000 songs, the 50% chance of repetition is already reached at approx. 250 picks, not the expected 600. Of course, while many radio streams work this way, on RP this is not how it's done — luckily. First of all, Bill avoids the horrible transitions that DJ Random would produce, by combining songs that actually belong together. This reduces the amount of randomness, but of course Bill has a memory and will try to avoid repeating the same song often. To minimize repetition, he would need to create an ideal sequence of all songs once, and repeat this eternally. But that would become boring too, so as a compromise and to keep managing RP tractable, Bill recycles 'stretches' of playlist, slowly mutating them and discarding them after a while. And Bill is only human, so he'll play the songs that he likes a little bit more often than others. I wasted some of my time telling this story to show that things can be a whole lot worse, and I believe RP comes damn close to an ideal radio station. You just have to accept the fact that ideality doesn't exist and that some of the songs you don't like will be played, and repeated after a while.
We just heard Smiths four hours ago. I guess it's Drama Queen Day in Paradise.
Always reminds me of the teeny-bopper Goths hanging out at Evergreen Cemetery in Santa Cruz as I would walk past, to work, in the mid-80s. Actually, they were kind of frightening.
'Some Dippy Whore 1804'
always makes me laugh
always makes me laugh
erf - mildly melodic whining.....
what stinky fish fails to tell us was that he was 14 when he kept beating up the 5th grader.
Roverfish wrote:
Roverfish wrote:
Sorry, Morrissey just reminds me of that kid I continually beat the crap out of in 5th grade. Ho hum.
Catalytic wrote:
Which speaks volumes about your pathetic existence. Every bully I've every known has been a miserable excuse for humanity, badly overcompensating for their blatant inadequacies by inflicting physical violence on their betters. Kind of like the chimps at the zoo who's only recourse to their pathetic state is fling their poo around.
Go back to daydreaming about your glory days of high school football, Roverfish, and let the rest of us with IQs above room temperature enjoy our music in peace.
This is basically my favorite post on RP, ever.
Which speaks volumes about your pathetic existence. Every bully I've every known has been a miserable excuse for humanity, badly overcompensating for their blatant inadequacies by inflicting physical violence on their betters. Kind of like the chimps at the zoo who's only recourse to their pathetic state is fling their poo around.
Go back to daydreaming about your glory days of high school football, Roverfish, and let the rest of us with IQs above room temperature enjoy our music in peace.
This is basically my favorite post on RP, ever.
daedalus wrote:
That's just stupid.
The Smiths were musically great and vocally embarrassing.
That's just stupid.
The Smiths were musically great and vocally embarrassing.
aragon wrote:
This is a pop gem. Perfection is not enough to describe it. As the bard would say:"Caviar for the common people". Long Live The Smiths!
well said, aragon. 
aragon wrote:
This is a pop gem. Perfection is not enough to describe it. As the bard would say:"Caviar for the common people". Long Live The Smiths!
Good point, ever had cheap Caviar? It's terrible, not worth having unless you pay for the good stuff. Morrissey is just like that - a hideous imitation of the real thing.
It's no wonder that most Morrissey fans these days are those who fondly remember it from their youth - before they developed a discriminating taste!
Roverfish wrote:
Sorry, Morrissey just reminds me of that kid I continually beat the crap out of in 5th grade. Ho hum.
Well, I guess admitting that you are an ass is the first step towards recovery!
Roverfish wrote:
Sorry, Morrissey just reminds me of that kid I continually beat the crap out of in 5th grade. Ho hum.
Which speaks volumes about your pathetic existence. Every bully I've every known has been a miserable excuse for humanity, badly overcompensating for their blatant inadequacies by inflicting physical violence on their betters. Kind of like the chimps at the zoo who's only recourse to their pathetic state is fling their poo around.
Go back to daydreaming about your glory days of high school football, Roverfish, and let the rest of us with IQs above room temperature enjoy our music in peace.
memories from high school. This was a favorite.
My mom used to call Morrissey "Johnny One-Note"
This is a pop gem. Perfection is not enough to describe it. As the bard would say:"Caviar for the common people". Long Live The Smiths!
Roverfish wrote:
Sorry, Morrissey just reminds me of that kid I continually beat the crap out of in 5th grade. Ho hum.
gee, i wonder how much more money morrisey makes than the bully?
Roverfish wrote:
Sorry, Morrissey just reminds me of that kid I continually beat the crap out of in 5th grade. Ho hum.
You sound like an idiot, so this story is plausible.
The Smiths are like M&Ms. You can't go wrong.
Roverfish wrote:
Sorry, Morrissey just reminds me of that kid I continually beat the crap out of in 5th grade. Ho hum.
Maybe he was a kid who had the crap beaten out of him at school - that would explain his miserableness. I too had the crap beaten out of me at school and was pretty f*cking miserable until my 30s as a direct result ;-|
Not the best Smiths number, but still worth a 5.
Roverfish wrote:
I guess bullys aren't supposed to like the Smiths anyway, so there. I can imagine what Kurt Cobain felt when he discovered the same type of bullies who beat him up in school turned up at Nirvana concerts. 
Sorry, Morrissey just reminds me of that kid I continually beat the crap out of in 5th grade. Ho hum.
Well, aren't you the manly man!
I guess bullys aren't supposed to like the Smiths anyway, so there. I can imagine what Kurt Cobain felt when he discovered the same type of bullies who beat him up in school turned up at Nirvana concerts.
Who gets the honors of being first emo? For some reason that question just popped into my mind.
Sorry, Morrissey just reminds me of that kid I continually beat the crap out of in 5th grade. Ho hum.
Just for the record; I don't hate this band, and I love(d) MST3K (at least the Joel era). 
dolfan wrote:
dolfan wrote:I get how people hate this band, but I really quite like them. MST 3K once had a hilarious skit about Morrisey and his angst, and they were right. Still, The Smiths had many good songs and albums and this is, besides being a pretty upbeat song (for them), a good song and the lyrics have a clever and humorous slant to them. Hate away, but as for me, I will keep listening.
Of course they're very 'British'!
They were the my perfect guitarheroes in my teenager-years in the 80's.
Bought every album, listened permanently to them and drove my parents nuts. 
cemetery gates I like
swoles wrote:
can anyone think of a band that people love/hate more than this one? (i happen to love them-but i'm not mad if you hate em)
As I said on another thread I think they are very 'British' and a lot of America just won't get them. For a start the lyrics to many of their songs are actually quite clever and ironic whereas if they'd written about spouses leaving, pets dying or their Chevy giving up Ameria may just have taken them to heart
I get how people hate this band, but I really quite like them. MST 3K once had a hilarious skit about Morrisey and his angst, and they were right. Still, The Smiths had many good songs and albums and this is, besides being a pretty upbeat song (for them), a good song and the lyrics have a clever and humorous slant to them. Hate away, but as for me, I will keep listening.
can anyone think of a band that people love/hate more than this one? (i happen to love them-but i'm not mad if you hate em)
Darkmatter wrote:
In the words of Morrissey himself:
It's so easy to laugh
It's so easy to hate
It takes strength to be gentle and kind
It's so easy to barf
It's so easy to hate this band.
It takes strength to listen all the way through without vomiting.
jfarrance wrote:
Why go out of your way to offend? I don't get many people's need to declare their dislike for things. I would much rather hear about artists you like or love.
In the words of Morrissey himself:
It's so easy to laugh
It's so easy to hate
It takes strength to be gentle and kind
I see I've already given this a 1. What's left?.. Oh, yes. There's always this..
jfarrance wrote:
Its obvious that The Smiths are important to a lot of people. They are a distinct, significant, successful and missed part of music history. Why go out of your way to offend? I don't get many people's need to declare their dislike for things. I would much rather hear about artists you like or love.
totally.
Sure, I this song may not be great, and it reminds me of a very specific time of my life and people, many of whom are no longer with us, so it triggers some great memories for me.
(and I'm on 85th...)
jfarrance wrote:
"I don't want to talk to you no more, ...
I've been following this individual, and have come to the conclusion that they are deeply disturbed. Best ignored.
Stingray wrote: Can anybody explain the "fame" of this terrible, boring band?
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STINGRAY!
"I don't want to talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough wiper. I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries."
But seriously, like many bands The Smiths are dear and incredible to some. To others they require some interest and dedication (listening) to see (hear) the light. To (empty headed) others they stand out distinctly and are easily dismissed on a first (or a few) listens.
Its obvious that The Smiths are important to a lot of people. They are a distinct, significant, successful and missed part of music history. Why go out of your way to offend? I don't get many people's need to declare their dislike for things. I would much rather hear about artists you like or love.
Stingray wrote: I do not know a SINGLE (!!!!!!!!!!) good song of them! Not a single one!!!
"How Soon is Now?"
THE Best Song of the 1980's
Yep, in that entire decade, there was no song better than this. Anyone who disagrees... well, (insert: statement to the effect that your opinion just doesn't count) and (insert: a personal attack against your education) and that's just the way it is.
Stingray wrote: Can anybody explain the "fame" of this terrible, boring band?
What is this? Surely not rock, definitely no pop!
No drive, no melody, the guy can't sing, but acts and looks like a true asshole!
The Smiths....?
A good joke. Compliment for the marketing though!
I do not know a SINGLE (!!!!!!!!!!) good song of them! Not a single one!!!
STINGRAY!
Someone needs some Prozac. Just try to open your mind a little bit. You might surprise yourself and find something you like.
Stingray wrote: Can anybody explain the "fame" of this terrible, boring band?
What is this? Surely not rock, definitely no pop!
No drive, no melody, the guy can't sing, but acts and looks like a true asshole!
The Smiths....?
A good joke. Compliment for the marketing though!
I do not know a SINGLE (!!!!!!!!!!) good song of them! Not a single one!!!
STINGRAY!
ufff..... I'm tired to tell it... ok, even to you my dear...read below my nick, on the left, and try that point of wiew... maybe you'll discover why you hate them....don't try to discover why someone love them....I don't think you'll be able to
smadanayr wrote:
I really dont get the buzz about Morrissey.
Very boring singer with a very limited range and style.
The lyrics aren't particularly special either.
Often true but this song isn't an example of that. This isn't a "great" song, but it's a clever little tune with diversionary lyrics that one has to stop and listen to.
And that's all The Smiths were: a great unapologetic pop band too clever for top 40. If you don't like repetitive top 40 pop tunes, ya hafta go elsewheres.
I really dont get the buzz about Morrissey.
Very boring singer with a very limited range and style.
The lyrics aren't particularly special either.
Don't get The Smiths. From what I have heard here they can't carry a tune. Not enough talent to make up for that in my book.
MCKY wrote:
great tune from the best Smiths LP. How bad the newest Morrissey sounds compared to this.
if you had listened to them from the very beginning this might sound like the group at their worst. i became so ashamed of myself earlier. almost every group provides that.
Morrissey himself is an overated, talentless tone deaf flower thrower but above all he is cr*p 
PLAY MORE SMITHS!
algrif wrote:
It is difficult to put into words just how much I dislike the whole Smiths sound Voice, instruments, everything. This is why there is an off switch.
As in, "Fuckoff"!
wow. it's got to be 15 years since i heard this.
RayRay wrote:
So Keats and Yeats are on your side, and Wilde is on (Morrissey's) side- are they playing cricket or tag or something in the cemetery? Reminds me of PE class when you got picked for ball games....
I jest, but I do really like this song...
Mozza does leave himself open a bit for that, doesn't he? Still, he's remained reasonably interesting musically over the years, which is a lot more than can be said for his contemporaries.
By the way, listen to 'The Light 3000' by Tom Schneider for a different slant on 'There is a Light' from the same album. Sorry I can't provide a link.
So Keats and Yeats are on your side, and Wilde is on (Morrissey's) side- are they playing cricket or tag or something in the cemetery? Reminds me of PE class when you got picked for ball games....
I jest, but I do really like this song...
scruzer wrote:
You should work on your listening skills.
What did you say?
tony620d wrote:
when i need a good laugh, i watch morrisey in concert.. and look at the crowd.. LOLOLOL
Tres droll, but The Queen is Dead is still a brilliant album
my favorite song about plagiarism!
'Keats and Yeats are on your side
Wilde is on mine'
Go, Mozza, go ....
when i need a good laugh, i watch morrisey in concert.. and look at the crowd.. LOLOLOL
The opening made me think it was a great tune by The Sundays -- so I have to go and put them on, and maybe Meat is Murder after that...
another Soundtrack to a Day started and provided by RP...
It is difficult to put into words just how much I dislike the whole Smiths sound Voice, instruments, everything. This is why there is an off switch.
justlistening wrote:
All Smiths tunes sound the same to me.
You should work on your listening skills.
jbmckee wrote:
I like this song and I like the Smiths. But, it seems like their vocal range is about 5 notes. 
That seems too generous to me. More like 3. Ok, 5, because when he's out of tune it sounds like other notes.
All Smiths tunes sound the same to me.
great tune from the best Smiths LP. How bad the newest Morrissey sounds compared to this.
Boy, you don't understand anything about the Smiths....
Surely one of their best!!
PaulG wrote:
I love The Smiths but I'm not sure why you've chosen to play the worst song on what is one the best albums of all time! Any of the other 9 tracks would have been preferable!
I love The Smiths but I\'m not sure why you\'ve chosen to play the worst song on what is one the best albums of all time! Any of the other 9 tracks would have been preferable!
Originally Posted by HerrTick:
the guy cannot sing. often out of tune.
right on! it's part of his charm, no one sings like him, try to mimic his singing and you'll have a good laugh...
More Smiths!!!
Yeah!! Funny, cool!!!
I cannot stomach Morrissey's voice. I can easily imitate it but why would I?
Well you'd have to write the songs as well and even if the voice and songwriting were exactly the same or slightly better it would still only be an imitation and I doubt I would like it much. Don't let me put you off though ;)