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It freezes your already cold mind
Already cold, cold mind
And death is at your doorstep
And it will steal your innocence
But it will not steal your substance
But you are not alone in this
And you are not alone in this
As brothers we will stand and we'll hold your hand
Hold your hand
And you are the mother
The mother of your baby child
The one to whom you gave life
And you have your choices
And these are what make man great
His ladder to the stars
But you are not alone in this
And you are not alone in this
As brothers we will stand and we'll hold your hand
Hold your hand
And I will tell the night
And whisper, "Lose your sight"
But I can't move the mountains for you
Thanks! I didn't know that was possible. Some grumpy day I may try that.
a while back, that was the only stream working for many folks.
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Other artists are trendy to like (Miles Davis, Elliot Smith, David Bowie, etc.) even though the artist has just a few songs that the listener objectively considers "good" (or has ever even heard).
and that's my rant
Point of Order: "the listener objectively considers "good""
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By definition the listener cannot "objectively" consider any non-scientific thing "objectively ... merely subjectively
[refer Karl Popper for the definition of what is "science" ... everything else is being human.]
Thanks! I didn't know that was possible. Some grumpy day I may try that.
I think this is correct. I don't mind genuine criticism as long as there are no insults, but, you know, people gotta right to be jerks, however much I dislike that. I think we need to be willing to accept a little criticism as well as fandom. We should continue to call out bad and bullying behavior though, I believe.
It seems people are more inclined to leave negative comments on here. I think Mumford is a nice fit on the RP playlist. I believe that we all have to recognize that, for RP to provide the variety we seek, we all will have to endure a certain percentage of songs that we find annoying. If you are not wiling to accept that, then go listen to 100% of the songs you love on your own iPod.
RP even offers you the option, if you've selected enough songs, rated 7 or better, to play the 'My Favourites' channel and never risk listening to anything new and different that you might (heaven forbid!) not like. Go for it, and quit whingeing here!
Well, I think they expressed a reasonable opinion that they simply didn't like that particular group's sound, even if they couldn't put their finger on exactly why, it just wasn't their cup of tea.
I have the same problem with the Grateful Dead. I appreciate they are a cultural icon, craft good lyrics, play well and have a huge, loyal, fan base. But for some reason I have never been a fan of their 'sound'. So I can appreciate them for the artists that they are, but I do not seek them out. Begrudgingly, 'Ripple' is growing on me, (dammit).
When I read the OP, I sense the same thought, they appreciate them a bit, feel they are over played, a bit, and don't seek them out. Lots of other music to agree on though.
Very well put Troquel67... your middle paragraph did put a smile on my face... Strangers Stopping Strangers... Just to Shake Their Hand (Scarlet Begonias)
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I guess you're not their audience. I'm not either but I grew up in blue grass country. But there is no reason to disparage artists. They are crafting the art in a way meaningful to them.
Well, I think they expressed a reasonable opinion that they simply didn't like that particular group's sound, even if they couldn't put their finger on exactly why, it just wasn't their cup of tea.
I have the same problem with the Grateful Dead. I appreciate they are a cultural icon, craft good lyrics, play well and have a huge, loyal, fan base. But for some reason I have never been a fan of their 'sound'. So I can appreciate them for the artists that they are, but I do not seek them out. Begrudgingly, 'Ripple' is growing on me, (dammit).
When I read the OP, I sense the same thought, they appreciate them a bit, feel they are over played, a bit, and don't seek them out. Lots of other music to agree on though.
I guess you're not their audience. I'm not either but I grew up in blue grass country. But there is no reason to disparage artists. They are crafting the art in a way meaningful to them.
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Agree
For me it's 90% of Dylan songs, but for the 10% I shall endure...
Upvote. Been saying something to this effect for years.
You're not, but I truly don't get that. Avett Brothers sound nothing like Mumford to me - I doubt I'd ever mistake one for the other. They all sound very distinct to me (Elephant Revival and Head & Heart also get thrown in this pile). My sense is some of these bands don't have much range in their sound, so repeated listens result in tired ear. Mumford is definitely like that for me, though I have to say I always liked this song a lot and still do.
Other artists are trendy to like (Miles Davis, Elliot Smith, David Bowie, etc.) even though the artist has just a few songs that the listener objectively considers "good" (or has ever even heard).
I just wish people would spend a little less time typing out breathless, exhausting criticisms of bands that they dislike because "all the cool kids" also don't like them and just listen to to music... if you still don't like it: PSD. It's far easier than ranting.
and that's my rant
I totally agree with premise of paragraph one (I might add DMB, U2, and David Byrne for these boards).
Paragraph two loses me completely. If you change out "the listener" for "this listener", I might be able to get behind it as it applies to you specifically.
Of course, it still wipes out the meaning of paragraph one and three. You see, you've done for Miles, David, and Elliot EXACTLY (criticize) what you don't want done to Counting Crows and Mumford.
Other artists are trendy to like (Miles Davis, Elliot Smith, David Bowie, etc.) even though the artist has just a few songs that the listener objectively considers "good" (or has ever even heard).
I just wish people would spend a little less time typing out breathless, exhausting criticisms of bands that they dislike because "all the cool kids" also don't like them and just listen to to music... if you still don't like it: PSD. It's far easier than ranting.
and that's my rant
I agree that certain recording artists can seem to be trendy to dislike, however, it's really an absurd stretch to say that Miles Davis and David Bowie (or Elliot Smith) each had just a few "good" songs.
will catch them live in May...
CyrusPaul wrote:
Other artists are trendy to like (Miles Davis, Elliot Smith, David Bowie, etc.) even though the artist has just a few songs that the listener objectively considers "good" (or has ever even heard).
I just wish people would spend a little less time typing out breathless, exhausting criticisms of bands that they dislike because "all the cool kids" also don't like them and just listen to to music... if you still don't like it: PSD. It's far easier than ranting.
and that's my rant
I really don't think it's a question of trends positive or negative but rather a more simple one of likes or dislikes. I personally don't like in this case, but each to their own.
Other artists are trendy to like (Miles Davis, Elliot Smith, David Bowie, etc.) even though the artist has just a few songs that the listener objectively considers "good" (or has ever even heard).
I just wish people would spend a little less time typing out breathless, exhausting criticisms of bands that they dislike because "all the cool kids" also don't like them and just listen to to music... if you still don't like it: PSD. It's far easier than ranting.
and that's my rant
Couldn't agree more.
People with musical tastes I trust like Mumford and Sons. I don't like them but that's good enough for me.
Well said!! Funny enough this one didn't annoy me at all (others do that trick for me). I didn't like it much either, it just went by, unnoticed, until I read the comments. Although negative, I'd have to say some were quite hilarious, you could almost feel the pain those people went through!
And Bill is smiling because he knows it's ok to play what he sees fit and ignore the naysayers.
Right on Trip, either iPod or PSD and stop BM&C.
Contrived TRIPE.
Oh geez, you're KILLIN' me! This reallly got me laughing ... I have been there too: Trying hard to really crank out some drawings, up against a deadline, the ray-didio is on loud enough to keep the flames of production nice and hot, but not TOO loud so as to break that critical concentration ... and then SHITE strikes again! Some drivel on the ray-didio comes on, The National followed shortly by Mumbles & Sons in this case. It's like those times when you successfully tip back in your chair for a long time and everything seems really good even if it is a bit precarious, and then wham-o, someone sneaks up from behind and kicks that sucker right out from under you. Will you be okay? Of course, but man I was "in the zone," and now I'm way out of it.
And the next 3 comments or so were spot on too. Yes, it bugs me to go negative, but Mumbles = self-contrived preciousness
Fawk, The National and Mumford and Sons within 4 songs of each other. How pathetic can this Friday afternoon get.
Thank you Blotto, you saved me the virtual ink....
Perfect comment award winner. Now, if we could click these comments to hear the audio version I would give my right arm to hear it spoken in an angry cockney accent.
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Contrived TRIPE.
Contrived TRIPE.
The PSD button alone is worth the money I've contributed to RP.
Yet another shameless rip-off of Mumford & Sons...or is it the other way 'round?
The PSD button alone is worth the money I've contributed to RP.
Feud? That requires at least two participants. You've plainly got the hump with me, but that's your problem. Flames via PM, please, to spare innocent bystanders.
I have already addressed your many troll accusations at me on a few other songs (enjoy), so I will leave that alone here and spare the rest of the members our feud, fun though it may be.
As to your point. My god. Are you serious? I feel like I am in some alternate universe when I read your comments. I am not even going to ask you what your solution would be.
BTW, I would like to take this opportunity to point out the remarkable contributions of two of our finest English imports here in the US. Both of whom are unfortunately no longer with us (both died last year). Both are Marxist Socialists who have had a profound influence on my life: Tony Judt and Christopher Hitchens. If you could tone it down a bit Fred, and say something constructive on these boards, I am sure we could find something to talk about. Still, I will never forgive the UK for stealing Henry James from us. Perfidious Albion indeed!!!!
Oh for goodness' sake, tone it down.
This is a song comment board, not a try to impress others with your Perfidious Albion board. :massive eye roll:
Nice troll, but this old socialist won't bite. Enough to say that class is an objective reality of capitalist society, not a fantastical subjective construct. That different classes have different cultures is clearly evident, as is certainly the case in the UK of now when we're ruled by a bunch of public schoolboys belonging to the hereditary ruling political and economic class. Mumford and Sons are very much part of that same class, hence the grating and 'dissonance' when they sing songs deriving directly from folk music written by peasants and workers. Horny-handed sons of toil they're not.
I have already addressed your many troll accusations at me on a few other songs (enjoy), so I will leave that alone here and spare the rest of the members our feud, fun though it may be.
As to your point. My god. Are you serious? I feel like I am in some alternate universe when I read your comments. I am not even going to ask you what your solution would be.
BTW, I would like to take this opportunity to point out the remarkable contributions of two of our finest English imports here in the US. Both of whom are unfortunately no longer with us (both died last year). Both are Marxist Socialists who have had a profound influence on my life: Tony Judt and Christopher Hitchens. If you could tone it down a bit Fred, and say something constructive on these boards, I am sure we could find something to talk about. Still, I will never forgive the UK for stealing Henry James from us. Perfidious Albion indeed!!!!
Fawk, The National and Mumford and Sons within 4 songs of each other. How pathetic can this Friday afternoon get.
Nice troll, but this old socialist won't bite. Enough to say that class is an objective reality of capitalist society, not a fantastical subjective construct. That different classes have different cultures is clearly evident, as is certainly the case in the UK of now when we're ruled by a bunch of public schoolboys belonging to the hereditary ruling political and economic class. Mumford and Sons are very much part of that same class, hence the grating and 'dissonance' when they sing songs deriving directly from folk music written by peasants and workers. Horny-handed sons of toil they're not.
the ENTIRE "St. Bonio" diatribe makes a LOT more sense now...
comrade.
Just did the same thing! :-)
If you have seen Michael Apted's 7-Up Series, it may surprise you to see just how the notion of class is over-hyped there in the UK as well. The ones in the series who are supposed to be lower-class, or whatever they call it there, make a mockery of the notion, it's quite hilarious. Socialists need class conflict as a raison-d'etre, otherwise, what will they bitch about?
Nice troll, but this old socialist won't bite. Enough to say that class is an objective reality of capitalist society, not a fantastical subjective construct. That different classes have different cultures is clearly evident, as is certainly the case in the UK of now when we're ruled by a bunch of public schoolboys belonging to the hereditary ruling political and economic class. Mumford and Sons are very much part of that same class, hence the grating and 'dissonance' when they sing songs deriving directly from folk music written by peasants and workers. Horny-handed sons of toil they're not.
If you have seen Michael Apted's 7-Up Series, it may surprise you to see just how the notion of class is over-hyped there in the UK as well. The ones in the series who are supposed to be lower-class, or whatever they call it there, make a mockery of the notion, it's quite hilarious. Socialists need class conflict as a raison-d'etre, otherwise, what will they bitch about? But still, your point is correct I think in that people are snobbier there, though we have plenty of snobs here too in the US. We all know about rich and poor, etc.. I think there are much better ways to address social injustice than trying to raise class consciousness. An issue oriented approach works better. Political apathy is the big problem here.
Fair enough.
Keep in mind the rather large differences between the British and North American conceptions of class divisions. In England there's been pretty much constant war of varying heat and intensity between the classes since William the Conqueror did his thing. Crossing class lines is just not done; the boundaries are many hundreds of years old. In America, by contrast, there has been, starting in the early twentieth century a pattern of cultural advancements arising from the African American community and spreading throughout the culture. Blues music didn't derive from the working class (in this, Fred is mistaken) but from the slave class, a class that no longer exists, and that makes a difference.
For you or me in North America, it's pretty much inevitable that cultural "products" will transcend classes, and in the last few decades the cultural transfer seems to be going in both directions (note the obsession with luxury items in hip-hop music as an example). In England, this kind of cultural line-jumping is probably tantamount to class-war treason.
If you have seen Michael Apted's 7-Up Series, it may surprise you to see just how the notion of class is over-hyped there in the UK as well. The ones in the series who are supposed to be lower-class, or whatever they call it there, make a mockery of the notion, it's quite hilarious. Socialists need class conflict as a raison-d'etre, otherwise, what will they bitch about? But still, your point is correct I think in that people are snobbier there, though we have plenty of snobs here too in the US. We all know about rich and poor, etc.. I think there are much better ways to address social injustice than trying to raise class consciousness. An issue oriented approach works better. Political apathy is the big problem here.
I don't know if I'm considered "posh".....but I am in a rock/blues band and people seem to have no problem listening to me sing the blues.I've had good times I've had bad times(like everybody else)that gives me the right to sing about the blues......
plus....I don't give a shit what anybody else thinks....I do it because I love it and I think I'm pretty good at it.
Boober.....the "dilettante"
Keep in mind the rather large differences between the British and North American conceptions of class divisions. In England there's been pretty much constant war of varying heat and intensity between the classes since William the Conqueror did his thing. Crossing class lines is just not done; the boundaries are many hundreds of years old. In America, by contrast, there has been, starting in the early twentieth century a pattern of cultural advancements arising from the African American community and spreading throughout the culture. Blues music didn't derive from the working class (in this, Fred is mistaken) but from the slave class, a class that no longer exists, and that makes a difference.
For you or me in North America, it's pretty much inevitable that cultural "products" will transcend classes, and in the last few decades the cultural transfer seems to be going in both directions (note the obsession with luxury items in hip-hop music as an example). In England, this kind of cultural line-jumping is probably tantamount to class-war treason.
Not, you will overcome evil, but you may overcome it.
I know it has a religious origin, but Steinbeck taught me!
Just like how some people may rate this a 2...it's an 8 for me!
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Ooh, now there's a discussion topic that could keep you going for hours or days, even. Ok, strictly speaking, any music can be sung/played by anyone from any class, but in practice musical styles are closely associated with class. Opera is primarily though not exclusively these days, an upper-class activity, at least over here, which is reflected in the eye-watering prices to go to these posh musicals. Folk music, past and modern (such as that put out by Billy Bragg or The Levellers), is very much associated with the working and peasant classes.
The point is that musical styles often represent class experiences. Opera, at least pre-20th Century, reflects the aristocratic and bourgeois milieus in which it originated and is often about court intrigues and courtly love. Folk music comes directly out of the life experiences of lower-class toilers, and reflects it. That's why a bunch of toffs appropriating folk styles really grates on my sensibilities, because they're hardly horny-handed sons of the soil or wage-slaves living hand to mouth in oppressive conditions. It grates in the same way as posh white folk singing the blues, which came out of American working-class experience. Ok, they're free to sing and play whatever they want, and good luck to them, but they'll be effectively dilettantes, singing about experiences that are alien to their own lives.
For all that, Mumford & Sons are very much flavour of the year over this side of the Pond, and I met a young guy the other day at a bus stop who said he'd been to one of their gigs in Nottingham and said that it was brilliant, the dog's bollox, and even said he knew Mumford's mother who, according to him, isn't half as posh as her son. So what do I know?
I don't know if I'm considered "posh".....but I am in a rock/blues band and people seem to have no problem listening to me sing the blues.I've had good times I've had bad times(like everybody else)that gives me the right to sing about the blues......
plus....I don't give a shit what anybody else thinks....I do it because I love it and I think I'm pretty good at it.
Boober.....the "dilettante"
I saw them in Asheville, North Carolina, and it WAS brilliant (this coming from someone who simply likes their music; I'm not a crazed fangirl who would swear they are perfection). It was one of the better shows I've been to in the last year.
I do not care where one comes from, how much one makes, how one learned to play music, where one lives, etc. What matters is the music, not the musician, and I personally like the creations of Mumford & Sons.
Experience (personal, familial or sought-for) can indeed have a lot to do with authenticity of culture. Skin color? Used way too often as an artificial flavoring. Pride is to be respected, restriction never useful in either direction.
Ooh, now there's a discussion topic that could keep you going for hours or days, even. Ok, strictly speaking, any music can be sung/played by anyone from any class, but in practice musical styles are closely associated with class. Opera is primarily though not exclusively these days, an upper-class activity, at least over here, which is reflected in the eye-watering prices to go to these posh musicals. Folk music, past and modern (such as that put out by Billy Bragg or The Levellers), is very much associated with the working and peasant classes.
The point is that musical styles often represent class experiences. Opera, at least pre-20th Century, reflects the aristocratic and bourgeois milieus in which it originated and is often about court intrigues and courtly love. Folk music comes directly out of the life experiences of lower-class toilers, and reflects it. That's why a bunch of toffs appropriating folk styles really grates on my sensibilities, because they're hardly horny-handed sons of the soil or wage-slaves living hand to mouth in oppressive conditions. It grates in the same way as posh white folk singing the blues, which came out of American working-class experience. Ok, they're free to sing and play whatever they want, and good luck to them, but they'll be effectively dilettantes, singing about experiences that are alien to their own lives.
For all that, Mumford & Sons are very much flavour of the year over this side of the Pond, and I met a young guy the other day at a bus stop who said he'd been to one of their gigs in Nottingham and said that it was brilliant, the dog's bollox, and even said he knew Mumford's mother who, according to him, isn't half as posh as her son. So what do I know?
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Me, for instance.
Must grate your grits that a thin candy shell of socialism is trendy among the trustifarians these days, but nature abhors purity even more than a vacuum. My dog abhors a vacuum even more than nature.
If you'll indulge me: FYI, public schools in Fred's environs are what we'd call private schools in the U.S.ofA. Toffs are, well, toffs.
Of all the 'progfolk' bands, this bunch of public school toffs score highest on the irritation scale. There's something plain wrong about a bunch of nobs rehashing folk songs that came out of peasants and workers. I'll take The Decemberists in place of this lot any day.
But do you think the peasants and workers today care about the folk songs that their forebears (direct or not) composed, traded, perpetuated? I think it's possible that without educated people taking an interest, many of the things we consider to be important parts of our culture would have been lost already.
Of all the 'progfolk' bands, this bunch of public school toffs score highest on the irritation scale. There's something plain wrong about a bunch of nobs rehashing folk songs that came out of peasants and workers. I'll take The Decemberists in place of this lot any day.
Does it matter where the music originated from? The important thing is that this group is keeping the music alive. Since when does your class determine what you sing
I î§ it
Hahahaha.
Of all the 'progfolk' bands, this bunch of public school toffs score highest on the irritation scale. There's something plain wrong about a bunch of nobs rehashing folk songs that came out of peasants and workers. I'll take The Decemberists in place of this lot any day.
"Death takes your innocence but not your substance....." Interesting line. I like this song a lot.
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I suppose that depends on whose death it is.
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I suppose that depends on whose death it is.
Which oneS?
Except these guys can sing on tune...
Ok, ok, ok, I'm sorry. That was unkind.
i do
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Bill, I think you messed up. Then again, you don't tailor your sets for me. Still, this woke me enough to sign off and go to bed. I love Dylan, but not right now.
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Except for just a few differences, like these guys sing in key, don't have muddy production to hide their mistakes, actually have talent, and are not boring to watch live. . . other than that, they're just like FF. . .
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Whatever it's called (and I think you're right), I like what I've heard so far... They're very resonant and haunting.
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I just noticed for the first time how many tracks from this CD have been aired. Quite a compliment for a 1 CD band.
I think this every time I hear them. Have to check and see which it is.
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And you are the mother
The mother of your baby child
The one to whom you gave life
What's with the the last line? Its implied in the proceeding two lines and is completely unnecessary — a garbage lyric.
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first off, it's just a lyric - chill out. second, if you want be super technical about it, one could argue that the you need the third line to eliminate the possibility of an adopted child, step-child, etc. so there.
And you are the mother
The mother of your baby child
The one to whom you gave life
What's with the the last line? Its implied in the proceeding two lines and is completely unnecessary — a garbage lyric.
I have this album, and I like it, but this is the only song that is played on Radio Paradise, and it drives me nuts every time I hear it. Let us hear White Blank Page next time.
first off, it's just a lyric - chill out. second, if you want be super technical about it, one could argue that the you need the third line to eliminate the possibility of an adopted child, step-child, etc. so there.
Reminds me of CSN&Y, no small tribute.............
And you are the mother
The mother of your baby child
The one to whom you gave life
What's with the the last line? Its implied in the proceeding two lines and is completely unnecessary — a garbage lyric.
I have this album, and I like it, but this is the only song that is played on Radio Paradise, and it drives me nuts every time I hear it. Let us hear White Blank Page next time.
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Wow, they're coming to SF next week!!
Crap, it's sold out!!!
Timshel; hmmm, I just read "East of Eden" last summer.
I was about to get into the connection when I saw your post; thanks for saving me the trouble! ; )
And bubbles and balloons and Hello Kitty too!?!